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re: Do you Believe In An Afterlife?

Posted on 9/26/25 at 7:41 pm to
Posted by DavidTheGnome
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Posted on 9/26/25 at 7:41 pm to
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Just because science figured out that thunder wasn’t caused by God doesn’t mean it will eventually determine God doesn’t exist. That’s illogical. Science is just as likely to determine God does exist.



And maybe it does and if so cool. Until then though there is a grand total of zero evidence to suggest there is one.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 9/26/25 at 7:47 pm to
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Genesis chapter one debunks the big bang theory.


Posted by redfish99
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Posted on 9/26/25 at 7:49 pm to
Nyet
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 9/26/25 at 7:51 pm to
I don’t know if there’s an afterlife. I’ve had a great experience herein.

Posted by Knuckle Checker
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 9/26/25 at 8:13 pm to
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And maybe it does and if so cool. Until then though there is a grand total of zero evidence to suggest there is one.


There is evidence. There isn’t scientific data but that isn’t the only type of evidence.

In a court of law eye witness testimony is considered evidence. The entire New Testament is eye witness testimony.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 9/26/25 at 8:25 pm to
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The entire New Testament is eye witness testimony.


No it’s not.
Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
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Posted on 9/26/25 at 8:31 pm to
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Not trolling at all, but why does God let innocent children die?


Believers all asked this very same question. "Why?"

Moreover we also ask why must there be such wickedness, evil, tragedies, and suffering in this world?

No mortal can answer this question to most peoples' satisfaction or sensibilities. We can only be reassured and maintain faith in The Almighty's divine purpose and promise of ALL healing in His Kingdom for all Eternity. That said, all men must die in the flesh once.

How and why did grief, evil and tragedy became commonplace in this realm in the first place?

This entire world -- once perfect without death and all of the above curses - became tainted, accursed by God and ruled by Satan and wickedness after the Fall of Adam and Eve (according to Scripture.) That meant even the earthly creatures and land are cursed until The End.

Overcoming this world, it's grief and hardship are almost impossible without faith in God that He can heal our spirit and heart. When children are involved, so much more challenging as a test of our faith.

Do Children Go To Heaven? (David Jeremiah)

Posted by Harry Morgan
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Posted on 9/26/25 at 8:58 pm to
Posted by GreenRockTiger
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Posted on 9/26/25 at 9:03 pm to
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Genesis chapter one debunks the big bang theory.

Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 9/26/25 at 9:05 pm to
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Formulas are made by man.

Just like the countless deities that have been worshipped through the millennia.

You rely on the writings of fallible humans who lived thousands of years ago and knew very little about the world.

The people who wrote the Genesis Flood didn’t even know North America exists, much less that there are trees here that are older than the story and somehow survived being submerged miles deep beneath the ocean. They didn’t know kangaroos would have to hop across an ocean from Australia to reach the Ark. They didn’t know Mt. Everest is an absurd 29,000+ feet above sea level and there’s not enough water to cover it.

This world is insane. It takes very little to set people off when it comes to religion and all that jazz. Even in 1997, a few dozen people committed suicide thinking they were going to teleport to an alien spaceship following a comet.

Who would ever question elaborate stories from 2,000+ years ago about miracles and virgin births and walking on water and the Sun standing still, etc.?
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Not trolling at all, but why does God let innocent children die?

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Sin is your answer

Incorrect. Death has existed on this planet far longer than anything that could be considered “sin.” Ancient species suffered and died for millions of years before the first humans evolved.

Man did not inherit a paradise like Eden. Our ancestors survived nightmarish conditions for tens of thousands of years before anyone conjured Adam and Eve.

Death is not the fault of Man. Therefore, the sacrifice of Christ does not make sense theologically.
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You haven’t provided any explanation for the fine tuning of the universe, which is a scientific observation.

“Fine-tuned” in what way? Gravity, inertia, and nuclear fusion is the explanation for most of the workings of the Universe.

Technology has deceived people into thinking that Earth is “fine-tuned” and perfect for life. Nonsense. Nearly everything in this Universe is trying to kill us. If you were dropped alone naked with no tools onto a random place on Earth, you would likely die soon. 90% of Earth (oceans, hot deserts, high latitudes and elevations) would kill you with the quickness. The rest you’re going to have to bust your tail to survive.

We wouldn’t even be here if the Solar System hadn’t thrown an asteroid at the dinosaurs and caused their extinction.
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That’s a “science of the gaps” argument. The same type of argument you criticized earlier in your post.

Just because many things have been explained by science isn’t evidence that god doesn’t exist.

“Science of the Gaps”? Naturalism explains something new every single day that is true across all cultures. There’s not one thing about this world universally credited to a deity. Not one. Zero.

So if there’s something we don’t currently know, it’s best to assume a natural explanation.

People know this outside of their religion. No one blames a gremlin if their engine won’t start or a poltergeist if they can’t find their keys in the house. No one is going to get out of a murder conviction by saying they were framed by a demon.

But if something infringes on religious beliefs instilled since the cradle, common sense goes out the window.
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Just because science figured out that thunder wasn’t caused by God doesn’t mean it will eventually determine God doesn’t exist. That’s illogical. Science is just as likely to determine God does exist.

This is like saying a race between Noah Lyles and a paraplegic should be an even money bet.

Let me repeat it. There is not one single indisputable fact about the workings of the Universe that is universally attributed to a deity. Not one. Zero. Nada.

And the “big questions” are fundamentally no different from the little ones. People only throw God in there when they have theistic motivations.
Posted by Shorts Guy
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Posted on 9/26/25 at 9:31 pm to
I like to believe so, but I take comfort in knowing that if I’m wrong it won’t make a lot of difference to me. Hard to get emotional when you’re dead.
Posted by Knuckle Checker
Member since Jan 2019
614 posts
Posted on 9/27/25 at 2:07 am to
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Fine-tuned” in what way? Gravity, inertia, and nuclear fusion is the explanation for most of the workings of the Universe. Technology has deceived people into thinking that Earth is “fine-tuned” and perfect for life. Nonsense. Nearly everything in this Universe is trying to kill us


You don’t understand the fundamental issue. This is from chat GPT…

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If gravity were stronger by even 1 part in 10³4, stars would collapse too quickly. •
The cosmological constant is famously fine-tuned to about 1 part in 10¹²° — the “worst fine-tuning problem in physics,” according to physicists.


If the universe is just random and wasn’t designed by any intelligence what are the chances these numbers were so precise.


These are the possibilities from chatGPT…


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People explain this fine-tuning in several ways:
1. Chance — It just is that way (brute fact).
2. Multiverse — We exist in one of many universes with random values. 3. Design or teleology — The constants are set intentionally.
4. Deep law or necessity — There may be an underlying theory that forces these values to be what they are.



1. Chance is ridiculous
2. And 3. I think are equivalent. You can have faith in God or faith in the multiverse, both have similar levels of evidence.
4. This is another faith based claim that “we don’t know, but science will eventually figure it out”


So you see it’s not as cut and dry as you think.
You can have faith in science or faith in God. I chose God.
This post was edited on 9/27/25 at 2:11 am
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 9/27/25 at 6:43 am to
There's no way there was ever "nothing"

If there was ever "nothing," there would still be "nothing"


"something" cannot pop into existence from "nothing"

matter cannot be eternal, so the only thing that was eternal in the beginning, was an Eternal Mind

period. There's no way around it. The Creator exists. God exists. Period.
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
Foggy Bottom Law School
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 9/27/25 at 6:46 am to
"the big bang" is a childish narrative

there was "nothing" and then a "pre big bang clump of stuff"..."popped into existence...?" And then it "blew up"?


atheist college professors are childish little bitches who know the super wealthy elites will still send them grant money if they continue telling their stupid little made up stories
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 9/27/25 at 6:53 am to
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"the big bang" is a childish narrative

there was "nothing"


Before you criticize it, maybe you should try to understand what it actually says.
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
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Posted on 9/27/25 at 6:56 am to
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 9/27/25 at 6:58 am to
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You don’t understand the fundamental issue.

I believe I do.
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You can have faith in science or faith in God. I chose God.

Science isn’t a faith issue. A Christian doesn’t think a scientist testing his theory on changing salanity levels in the Arctic Ocean is a faith issue. And that’s no different from another scientist studying the origins of the Universe.

Christians only call science faith when it encroaches on their theology.

But I will say it again:

1. There are zero facts about the Universe that are indisputably linked to deities. Zero. Not one. No phenomena is attributed to God, Thor, Zeus, Osiris, or any other deity. Deities have zero confirmed interaction in the natural world.

2. The history of science has clearly shown us that attributing phenomena to deities is a poor approach.

3. You keep talking about faith in God. You don’t have faith in God. You have faith in what fallible humans from thousands of years ago have said about God, and you believe that because of what your family and/or culture has told you. You would have a very different view if you were from Mumbai or Baghdad.

4. You are free to believe what you want, but I have pointed out two errors in the Bible. The concept of no death before humans sinned and the occurrence of a global flood a few thousand years ago are in conflict with the geological record.
Posted by Bowstring1
Member since Sep 2016
219 posts
Posted on 9/27/25 at 7:04 am to
Yes I believe in heaven and hell
Posted by kajunman
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 9/27/25 at 10:18 am to
My number would be a guess like everyone else.
Posted by cgrand
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Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 9/27/25 at 10:28 am to
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My number would be a guess like everyone else
an educated guess, yes. an approximation that lines up with the evidence of the fossil record that we can observe. so what's your guess?
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