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re: Do you accept the notion of the Big Bang as the origin of our universe?
Posted on 1/4/18 at 9:33 am to DavidTheGnome
Posted on 1/4/18 at 9:33 am to DavidTheGnome
No. Because we have no idea.
As far as I’m concerned Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe.
As far as I’m concerned Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe.
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 9:33 am to nola000
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Stay out of this. Intelligent people are talking.
The guy who originally came up with the theory (it wasn’t Hubble like OP says), Georges Lemaitre, was a Catholic priest.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 9:41 am to DavidTheGnome
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the thing is there's nothing to support it
Because that's basically impossible.
Imagine if you lived in a body bound by a 2D world. How could you prove the third dimension? You couldn't. You might be able to hypothesize that depth exists. But you'd be literally unable to grasp the true concept of depth because you are bound by two dimensions, even though depth is a very real thing and you exist inside that world you are inevitably bound by the limits of your 2D existence.
Even if a 3D being interacted with you, you'd only be able to perceive and view that interaction in a 2D concept.
There is an interesting theory that our minds exist in all dimensions, but are bound by our 3D bodies in a sort of interdimensional vehicle prison.
This post was edited on 1/4/18 at 9:44 am
Posted on 1/4/18 at 10:03 am to Darth_Vader
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ETA: the fact you can’t answer my questions and instead just downvote my post tells me all I need know a out you.
You're questions are fricking dumb, just like your "understanding" of Evolution. I don't have the time or patience.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 10:06 am to Darth_Vader
The real answer is "I don't know" on this but
1. What was this dense singularity made from?
I don't think we know the answer to this.
2. Where did the matter that made up the dense singularity originate?
Matter originated after the Big Bang LINK
3. what process caused whatever matter constituted the dense singularity to form the dense singularity?
That would be speculation, we don't know what happened during or before the singularity.
4. How could something this dense also be hot? As has already been stated, for something to be hot, there must be movement. How can something infinitly dense also have movement to create heat?
Not sure, and I don't think the word infinite is actually correct. It won't have infinite anything, just a hell of alot. I'm not sure that a true singularity like you are implying actually existed either or just a mathematical construct.
5. If the dense singularity was indeed hot, what caused it to heat up?
That's an if, I don't know enough about it to say that the conditions at t=0 are "hot"
6. And finally, what force caused this dense singularity to explode? And where did this force originate? What triggered this force to interact with the dense singularity and cause it to explode?
We can only speculate on what took place at the very beginning
1. What was this dense singularity made from?
I don't think we know the answer to this.
2. Where did the matter that made up the dense singularity originate?
Matter originated after the Big Bang LINK
3. what process caused whatever matter constituted the dense singularity to form the dense singularity?
That would be speculation, we don't know what happened during or before the singularity.
4. How could something this dense also be hot? As has already been stated, for something to be hot, there must be movement. How can something infinitly dense also have movement to create heat?
Not sure, and I don't think the word infinite is actually correct. It won't have infinite anything, just a hell of alot. I'm not sure that a true singularity like you are implying actually existed either or just a mathematical construct.
5. If the dense singularity was indeed hot, what caused it to heat up?
That's an if, I don't know enough about it to say that the conditions at t=0 are "hot"
6. And finally, what force caused this dense singularity to explode? And where did this force originate? What triggered this force to interact with the dense singularity and cause it to explode?
We can only speculate on what took place at the very beginning
Posted on 1/4/18 at 10:07 am to Fun Bunch
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I don't have the time or patience.
You also don’t have the answers.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 10:08 am to Fun Bunch
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You're questions are fricking dumb, just like your "understanding" of Evolution. I don't have the time or patience.
*TRANSLATION*
You have no answers and instead just throw out insults and sulk away.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 10:09 am to Darth_Vader
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So what you’re saying, is that to accept the Big Bang theory you have to have faith in things that you have absolutely zero proof existed.
But doesn’t that fly in the face of scientific process? Science has no faith in anything, only those things that can be observed and thus studied, right? That’s sicence. If your theory requires faith in things you can’t even prove exist then it’s not really a theory is it? It’s a religion at that point.
OMG you debunked science!
This post was edited on 1/4/18 at 10:11 am
Posted on 1/4/18 at 10:11 am to Darth_Vader
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So what you’re saying, is that to accept the Big Bang theory you have to have faith in things that you have absolutely zero proof existed.
But doesn’t that fly in the face of scientific process? Science has no faith in anything, only those things that can be observed and thus studied, right? That’s sicence. If your theory requires faith in things you can’t even prove exist then it’s not really a theory is it? It’s a religion at that point.
We can backtrack back to a trillionth of a second after the Big Bang, it's not accurate to say zero proof. We don't have a unified theory yet to explain what happens at t=0, but that just means we haven't figured it out yet. Everything is pointing in that direction though, and our models go back to that very very early stage.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 10:13 am to 1BamaRTR
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(it wasn’t Hubble like OP says)
OP didn't say that
Posted on 1/4/18 at 10:15 am to Breesus
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Because that's basically impossible.
Imagine if you lived in a body bound by a 2D world. How could you prove the third dimension? You couldn't. You might be able to hypothesize that depth exists. But you'd be literally unable to grasp the true concept of depth because you are bound by two dimensions, even though depth is a very real thing and you exist inside that world you are inevitably bound by the limits of your 2D existence.
Even if a 3D being interacted with you, you'd only be able to perceive and view that interaction in a 2D concept.
There is an interesting theory that our minds exist in all dimensions, but are bound by our 3D bodies in a sort of interdimensional vehicle prison.
That's fine but there's absolutely nothing to lead us to that conclusion either.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 10:17 am to DavidTheGnome
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1. What was this dense singularity made from?
I don't think we know the answer to this.
So you have to have faith. Again, this makes belief in the Big Bang religion and not science.
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2. Where did the matter that made up the dense singularity originate? Matter originated after the Big Bang LINK
I know the Big Bang theory says that matter came after the Big Bang theory. Ok. Then what exploded? Had to be something to explode, right? It could not have been nothing that exploded. So what was it? And where did it come from? What was it made of? How was it made? What made it explode?
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3. what process caused whatever matter constituted the dense singularity to form the dense singularity? That would be speculation, we don't know what happened during or before the singularity.
Again, we run into faith.
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4. How could something this dense also be hot? As has already been stated, for something to be hot, there must be movement. How can something infinitly dense also have movement to create heat?
Not sure, and I don't think the word infinite is actually correct. It won't have infinite anything, just a hell of alot. I'm not sure that a true singularity like you are implying actually existed either or just a mathematical construct.
It had to be something. And the Big Bang theory holds it was “infinitely dense and hot”. How is that possible?
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6. And finally, what force caused this dense singularity to explode? And where did this force originate? What triggered this force to interact with the dense singularity and cause it to explode?
We can only speculate on what took place at the very beginning
I’m starting to get an old George Michael song stuck in my head.
This post was edited on 1/4/18 at 10:19 am
Posted on 1/4/18 at 10:17 am to DavidTheGnome
I believe God created the heavens and the earth
Posted on 1/4/18 at 10:18 am to iAmBatman
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Good answer. Way to not show any commitment to anything you believe
what? why would i waste time discussing "meaning" with someone who just told me life is meaningless?
eta: and how do you know what i "believe"? I merely pointed out 3 logical fallacies in a post and told you what books i'm reading-- i've made no normative/teleological/epistemological statements. and, again, if everything is meaningless, why do you care to discuss beliefs?
This post was edited on 1/4/18 at 10:25 am
Posted on 1/4/18 at 10:18 am to DavidTheGnome
I've watched every conceivable explanation and none of it makes sense. You can add all the heat, particle matter, hocus pocus you want. None of it creates a universe, earth, etc.
Look, if you don't want to acknowledge the presence of a Creator, fine. Just don't tell me shaking a sno globe 3xs the speed of light creates a mountain.
Look, if you don't want to acknowledge the presence of a Creator, fine. Just don't tell me shaking a sno globe 3xs the speed of light creates a mountain.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 10:19 am to iAmBatman
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Non Religious people: we know how the universe formed. Our evidence? Some random (scientist) that forms his own random opinions and expects others to believe it
FIFY
This post was edited on 1/4/18 at 10:20 am
Posted on 1/4/18 at 10:24 am to oleyeller
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Non Religious people: we know how the universe formed. Our evidence? Some random (scientist) that forms his own random opinions and expects others to believe it
FIFY
Probably one of the best and most true statements in this thread. And one they don’t want to admit.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 10:31 am to Houma Sapien
Quit trolling
Religion is a belief, shouldn't have to tell you that
Religion is a belief, shouldn't have to tell you that
Posted on 1/4/18 at 10:39 am to DavidTheGnome
Posted on 1/4/18 at 10:42 am to DavidTheGnome
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We can backtrack back to a trillionth of a second after the Big Bang, it's not accurate to say zero proof. We don't have a unified theory yet to explain what happens at t=0, but that just means we haven't figured it out yet. Everything is pointing in that direction though, and our models go back to that very very early stage.
M Theory is the best proposal for explaining how the Universe originated. Edward Witten, the greatest mind of our time in my opinion, united the five competing string theories in 1995, giving credence to the notion that existence is composed of vibrating strings.
M Theory uses this fundamental principle to push past the Big Bang into an exotic existence of branes that give rise to Universes.
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