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re: Do we accept the gay because of media pressure or did we pressure the media?
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:15 am to SoulGlo
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:15 am to SoulGlo
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"Gay pride" parades, etc have anything to do with it, you think?
I guess I should hate the Catholics for flaunting their immoral perversions with all these Mardi Gras parades
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Trying to force universal acceptance is the problem. Leaving it at "some people just don't like gays" would be the best long-term solution, but they feel they must have everybody on their "side." This is the problem.
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why not just put "blacks" in for "gays"This post was edited on 2/10/14 at 9:17 am
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Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:15 am to SoulGlo
quote:It's a problem that the gays want to be accepted? Did I read that wrong?
but they feel they must have everybody on their "side." This is the problem.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:16 am to OMLandshark
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You are more insane than the character of your screen name.
Because I site that Soviets spent billions on espionage that was intended to push liberal ideology starting in the 1950's. You are insane if you can not acknowledge what the US government acknowledge years ago.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:16 am to OMLandshark
I believe this thread is drifting off course. I simply wanted to know if you feel the media directed the acceptance of gays or if society did. I realize the media is part of society but you know what I meant. I did not want this to turn into a discussion of whether it is right or wrong to have the gay. If that is where you all want to take it so be it but I thought my initial question was an interesting one.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:17 am to DanTiger
How many of you took Sociology in college?
Do you remember covering the institutions in life that form our norms and values?
The two chief influences are removed today in most instances. Family and religion. They are replaced with entertainment, the media, and the reeducation school system, all which literally program people with what is and what isn't acceptable rather than being a reflection of society's norms and values. They are now the influencers of those norms and values.
Family and religion are like the rudder and keel of a ship. Remove them, and the direction of the ship is then determined by the other directional influencers, the wind and ocean currents which I'd liken to being the whims of the day and current societal norms and values that change rapidly and take you where it desires to take you rather than you having a say so in the matter. Now, take away the compass and maps (faith and the bible) because clearly, you don't need that when you don't have a keel or rudder to direct the ship anymore, and you can understand how this switch happens so rapidly.
Do you remember covering the institutions in life that form our norms and values?
The two chief influences are removed today in most instances. Family and religion. They are replaced with entertainment, the media, and the reeducation school system, all which literally program people with what is and what isn't acceptable rather than being a reflection of society's norms and values. They are now the influencers of those norms and values.
Family and religion are like the rudder and keel of a ship. Remove them, and the direction of the ship is then determined by the other directional influencers, the wind and ocean currents which I'd liken to being the whims of the day and current societal norms and values that change rapidly and take you where it desires to take you rather than you having a say so in the matter. Now, take away the compass and maps (faith and the bible) because clearly, you don't need that when you don't have a keel or rudder to direct the ship anymore, and you can understand how this switch happens so rapidly.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:17 am to Peazey
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I guess the point of my comment may have went over your head. The point is that it's an absurd strategy.
Whats absurd is your apparent lack of grammar skills. Its almost as pathetic as your inability to view history through different perspectives.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:18 am to DanTiger
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I simply wanted to know if you feel the media directed the acceptance of gays or if society did.
I think society dictates the media
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:19 am to DanTiger
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Do we accept the gay because of media pressure or did we pressure the media?
Who's we? I haven't accepted anything.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:19 am to DanTiger
IMHO, the pendulum just swung in the natural arc. Throughout history you can see a swing in social mores from promiscuous to prudish, then back again as an overcorrection. The media wants to shock you. Once they realize that "gay" doesn't phase people anymore, they'll find something else.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:20 am to H.M. Murdock
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Did you watch the clip? The Soviets completely understood they could not compete with us economically, hence the funding/founding of KGB operations in CONUS to push liberal ideology....I'd say if you look at the country over the last 60 years, it worked.
Yeah, god forbid that we now treat women as equals, let black people sit next to us on the bus, and not every family is like the Cleavers.
Hate to break it to you, but the 1950s are over, and they're never coming back. It was one of the worst times to be an American if you weren't a white Christian male. I'm glad we still don't have that backwards way of thinking and that people like you are a dying breed.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:21 am to Salmon
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I think society dictates the media
In a sense. Maybe.
But in the end, the media OBVIOUSLY dictates society. It's a disgusting thing to see.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:21 am to tigerinthebueche
Ah the good old revert to correcting grammar strategy when you have nothing else to add. Good one. What perspective is that? Gays are destroying the family structure? Do you not realize how crazy that is?
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Oh yeah, while we're talking about grammar, how's your punctuation?
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Its almost as pathetic as your inability to view history through different perspectives.
Oh yeah, while we're talking about grammar, how's your punctuation?
This post was edited on 2/10/14 at 9:23 am
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:21 am to SoulGlo
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If the issue was allowed to naturally evolve rather than being pushed (first by gays themselves, then by media) on everybody, then it wouldn't be a big deal.
No it wouldn't. Or if it did, it would take way too much time. There's been inequality in human rights for long enough as it is. See every civil rights movement ever. Equality has to be fought for because the people in power don't want to give any of it up.
You could replace every "gay" in your statement with "women" or "blacks" and the message would pretty accurately describe the sentiments of the 1910s and 1960s.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:22 am to Prominentwon
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But in the end, the media OBVIOUSLY dictates society. It's a disgusting thing to see.
the media broadcasts what we want to see
y'all can bitch about it all you want, but they aren't going to air topics that do not get ratings
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:22 am to fr33manator
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IMHO, the pendulum just swung in the natural arc. Throughout history you can see a swing in social mores from promiscuous to prudish, then back again as an overcorrection. The media wants to shock you. Once they realize that "gay" doesn't phase people anymore, they'll find something else.
Exactly. It's all one big troll.
Once people stop getting so riled up about this nonissue it will end.
This post was edited on 2/10/14 at 9:23 am
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:24 am to Salmon
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the media broadcasts what we want to see
y'all can bitch about it all you want, but they aren't going to air topics that do not get ratings
I'm not debating that.
Fact of the matter is that the media controls this country. They can absolutely mold the minds of alot of people.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:25 am to Salmon
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he media broadcasts what we want to see
y'all can bitch about it all you want, but they aren't going to air topics that do not get ratings
I don't really buy this. What is the alternative? Where would people get their news?
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:25 am to H.M. Murdock
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Not at all. Watch the video I posted. It is an interview with a defected KGB agent, made decades ago. The strategy has proven quite effective at influencing media/Hollywood/colleges. Watch the vid.
Yeah, couldn't have anything to do with the fact that Russians loathe gay people and think that we and the Europeans are dissolving into chaos solely because of gay people. Asking an KGB agent about gay people is like asking a klansman about black people. Their views are distorted and delusional as frick. Let me guess, you'd take an ex-SS officer's word for it if he was asked about the Jew's effect on America?
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:25 am to OMLandshark
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Yeah, god forbid that we now treat women as equals, let black people sit next to us on the bus, and not every family is like the Cleavers.
I love it, I just add some legitimate facts to the debate and you throw all this all there.
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I'm glad we still don't have that backwards way of thinking and that people like you are a dying breed.
Nice, no real counter argument to the what I posted so you proceed to personal attacks.
And as I stated, gays don't bother me in the least. But apparently facts and differing view points piss you off.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:27 am to DanTiger
Hollywood pushed it and the media ran with it.
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