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re: Do Russian history students learn about WWII the other way around?
Posted on 1/9/17 at 6:47 pm to ChewyDante
Posted on 1/9/17 at 6:47 pm to ChewyDante
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Did he see that the Soviet Union would come to occupy every territory that was deemed so sovereign and important that war with Germany was necessary to free it? Did he see the big picture when in every radio address and public remark he made condemning the wickedness of Nazism, that his buddy Joe Stalin and his Communists were doing the same tenfold? Did he anticipate that going to war with Japan would lead to the ulitimate empowerment of Mao Zedong and a Communist takeover of China? Did he anticipate the collapse of the British and French empires and the necessity of American assumption of global hegemony to prevent potential Communist takeover of all of Europe of Asia?
Is FDR the ipso facto father of modern communism?
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Posted on 1/9/17 at 7:12 pm to ChewyDante
He did not.
Remember Stalin and Hitler were Allies.
FDR probably didn't learn til late that Stalin would be double crossed.
FDR probably didn't know we would become a super power either.
Remember Stalin and Hitler were Allies.
FDR probably didn't learn til late that Stalin would be double crossed.
FDR probably didn't know we would become a super power either.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 8:00 pm to Tiger1242
They probably celebrate the victory at Stalingrad and not pay much attention to D-Day.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:07 pm to doubleb
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The people of Germany facilitated the holocaust by letting Hitler take power. I know things were more complicated than a simple election, but the people of Germany had to pay for the sins of their leaders. They weren't a chosen people, a pure race, but stooges at the hands ofthe Nazis who were quite evil.
Hitler was elected with 32% of the vote.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:24 pm to doubleb
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The US was attacked by Japan, and Germany declared war on the United States. Each got what they deserved.
Weren't the Germans bombing civilian targets in Great Britain? Heck they did that while fighting on Franco's side in the Spanish civil war. We reciprocated, and I have no doubt if given the chance they would have bombed NYC, or the US mainland.
Japanese aspirations were for a Pacific/East Asian sphere of influence (The Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere). If not for Americas crippling oil embargo, which came from our concerns for the Philippines and the territories of our allies, the Japanese would have left America out of it.
And the bombing of Coventry, which led to the bombing of Dresden, was retaliatory against the Brits for a British bomber mistakenly hitting a cultural/civilian target in Germany. My memory fails me on the specifics.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:24 pm to Yewkindewit
Great thread. Glad to see its still going.
One good book I've read on some of the subjects discussed is The 11th Hour about the Tehran Conference between Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin. By Douglas Keeney.
Very interesting stuff. From the secrecy and dangers surrounding FDR's travels there, to his not being reluctant to team up with Stalin to badger and needle Churchill when the US and Russia were keen on getting D-day scheduled while Britain kept proposing starting other fronts to Stalin trying to bug the hell out of every building to a ton of other stuff.
One thing - the binders Roosevelt's briefers prepared for his briefings would have made Ed Orgeron green with envy.
Also, I'm pretty sure Netflix has, or at least had some separate documentaries on Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin which are good watches.
One good book I've read on some of the subjects discussed is The 11th Hour about the Tehran Conference between Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin. By Douglas Keeney.
Very interesting stuff. From the secrecy and dangers surrounding FDR's travels there, to his not being reluctant to team up with Stalin to badger and needle Churchill when the US and Russia were keen on getting D-day scheduled while Britain kept proposing starting other fronts to Stalin trying to bug the hell out of every building to a ton of other stuff.
One thing - the binders Roosevelt's briefers prepared for his briefings would have made Ed Orgeron green with envy.
Also, I'm pretty sure Netflix has, or at least had some separate documentaries on Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin which are good watches.
This post was edited on 1/9/17 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:43 pm to Tiger1242
I've spoken to a Russian about this. They do give credit to the US but more for our contributions in the form of supplies than what we gave in the lives of men. We were contributing heavily to their cause long before d-day. They half-jokingly referred to Spam as the second front.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 9:56 pm to pelicanpride
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I've spoken to a Russian about this. They do give credit to the US but more for our contributions in the form of supplies than what we gave in the lives of men. We were contributing heavily to their cause long before d-day. They half-jokingly referred to Spam as the second front.
Getting back to the original question, I've heard Russians talk of "Americans sending Spam while Russians sent their sons". I've also heard them say that we fought Italians in Africa and Italy, then Vichy France and some Germans while most of Nazi Germany's forces were in the East. Basically they think we fought their non-German axis while they fought Germany.
Posted on 1/9/17 at 10:10 pm to TIGERSandFROGS
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Getting back to the original question, I've heard Russians talk of "Americans sending Spam while Russians sent their sons". I've also heard them say that we fought Italians in Africa and Italy, then Vichy France and some Germans while most of Nazi Germany's forces were in the East. Basically they think we fought their non-German axis while they fought Germany.
Well, no one can deny that the Soviets gave more in terms of blood. They lost more soldiers than all other armies combined. What they actually believe is that we intentionally delayed d-day in order to bleed them dry. They very much believe that we had an eye on the balance of power after the war. That's not an unreasonable argument and may well have some merit to it.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:35 am to Tiger1242
Does anyone have any good recommendations for a ww2 book from a Russian perspective? Could be historical fiction or non-fiction.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 3:05 pm to pelicanpride
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Well, no one can deny that the Soviets gave more in terms of blood. They lost more soldiers than all other armies combined. What they actually believe is that we intentionally delayed d-day in order to bleed them dry. They very much believe that we had an eye on the balance of power after the war. That's not an unreasonable argument and may well have some merit to it.
I would say that's an unreasonable argument. We didn't get invaded--we were the invaders. We chose the best time for success to invade. Taking Africa first made sense tactically and from a standpoint of establishing a battle-hardened core for the Army before invading mainland Europe. Same goes with taking Italy next.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 7:13 am to TIGERSandFROGS
Phenomenal thread! Read through all and totally enjoyed. Thanks for everyone's contributions.
I've followed WWII stuff a great deal and found the Netflix series "Apocalypse The Second World War" to be a great overview of the entire war. Doesn't get into gritty detail and also is a little Euro-front centric. Other than that, a great show. Put on by Smithsonian Channel.
I've followed WWII stuff a great deal and found the Netflix series "Apocalypse The Second World War" to be a great overview of the entire war. Doesn't get into gritty detail and also is a little Euro-front centric. Other than that, a great show. Put on by Smithsonian Channel.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 7:40 am to Tiger1242
Posted on 1/14/17 at 7:47 am to crazyLSUfan
I haven't watched the WW2 version yet, but the Apocalypse: WW1 version is amazing just for the footage they show. The series tries to convey a sense of what the reality of the war was like more than it tries to tell a narrative along the history. The episode focusing on the horrors of trench warfare (appropriately titled "Hell," if I remember correctly) is particularly harrowing. Highly recommended.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 7:57 am to vilma4prez
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Was China just doing it's own thing? Sorry for threadjack..
China was busy getting slaughtered by Japan
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