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re: Do normal people get PHDs?
Posted on 7/9/24 at 2:41 pm to theliontamer
Posted on 7/9/24 at 2:41 pm to theliontamer
It’s pretty common in scientific related fields. BioPharma and such. As well as mental health.
Most PhD’s I run across don’t care to be called Dr. and those who do are a bit egotistical. Grad school is basically just showing up on time and writing papers, and a lot of group projects… a dissertation with an advisor for a PhD. And lots more $ of course. But I’ve known plenty of fairly dumb or at least very naive PhD’s. They can tend to be a bit sheltered and silo’d from the world around them.
Most PhD’s I run across don’t care to be called Dr. and those who do are a bit egotistical. Grad school is basically just showing up on time and writing papers, and a lot of group projects… a dissertation with an advisor for a PhD. And lots more $ of course. But I’ve known plenty of fairly dumb or at least very naive PhD’s. They can tend to be a bit sheltered and silo’d from the world around them.
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Posted on 7/9/24 at 2:43 pm to theliontamer
A friend of mine's daughter got a PhD in anthropology and field archaeology...took her until she was 28 years old.
And then promptly got a job as an HR manager at a major auto parts distribution company.....
And then promptly got a job as an HR manager at a major auto parts distribution company.....
Posted on 7/9/24 at 2:44 pm to theliontamer
I know a couple with PhDs and related to one of them.
Normal you ask?
Normal you ask?
Posted on 7/9/24 at 2:56 pm to bluedragon
quote:
Like Dr Jill?
No the has an EdD different thing
Posted on 7/9/24 at 3:09 pm to theliontamer
Yes
Libs give PHDs a bad rap.
Libs give PHDs a bad rap.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 3:09 pm to theliontamer
Yes
Libs give PHDs a bad rap.
Libs give PHDs a bad rap.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 3:11 pm to Giantkiller
quote:
PhDs are for people who want to spend 9 years in school, rack up a shite ton of debt, get a crappy teaching job and then bitch about conservatives, traditional Judeo Christian values and how little money they all personally make.
I always find these sorts of posts interesting as you can tell 1)who went to college and 2)what they studied.
Across both undergrad and graduate school I can count the number of political comments from my professors on 1 hand. If you don't want liberal BS, don't study things that have liberal BS professors teaching it. If you study things like finance, engineering, chemistry, math, accounting ... You won't have to worry about this.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 3:11 pm to theliontamer
Might want to trim down that wide brush. A bit of truth to it, perhaps.
Daughter and son-in-law are both PhDs, and both quite "normal", conservative, Christian.
Academia is a minefield, no doubt, but there are the occasional bright lights.
Daughter and son-in-law are both PhDs, and both quite "normal", conservative, Christian.
Academia is a minefield, no doubt, but there are the occasional bright lights.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 3:38 pm to Sao
quote:What you've failed to understand is that I couldn't care less if you remember, "even seeing my posts prior to today." Is it extraordinary that others have a better memory than you?
Wow
Guy, I legit have never recalled addressing or even seeing you post prior to today. If I've hurt your feelings, I apologize.
You tried baiting the plebs with your racist gif, and it was so bad admin had to remove it. It's not surprising, and it's not ancient history. It's quite simple: You're just a spineless hack, one of many at this dump, and it's more a testament to your lack of intellect and groupthink than it is you being, "special". So don't flatter your little narcissistic self.
But let's not move the goalposts. Let's try and keep up, k bud?
Now address my quantifiable, factual assertion. Also, I'd like to add to that assertion: Qualify just how badly, deeply, and gravely I've
quote:whilst, "putting you in your place."
stepped in shite
I look forward to your informed, non-anecdotal reply.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 3:48 pm to mudshuvl05
quote:
mudshuvl05
The guy who spends way too much time in the echo chamber that is the PT board accuses others of "groupthink". Then, tries to claim some moral high ground by calling someone racist like be doesn't regularly call others names like "autistic retard".
Sounds about right.
Don't bother replying, mud......I don't give a shite.
This post was edited on 7/9/24 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 7/9/24 at 3:53 pm to NyCaLa
I have a Ph D in a specialized business discipline (A mixture of Quality, Statistics, Mathematical Modeling, and Analytics before the terms were en vogue). My wife has one in the hard sciences.
When we were in school (probably now 15 years ago) our PhD cohorts were both 50/50 US vs International. Now, my current group of doc students under me is probably closer to 25/75, at best, instead.
Part of the issue is I can't find domestic doc students who can do the math and put in the work who want to get a PhD. Most of my "quality" Masters students go grab the paycheck instead of wanting to chase research. I completely understand their thinking. I could go back to consulting for double+ what I make now. I do it because I love research and it is much more conducive to work balance with our kids still being at a young age.
On top of it, they have cut higher ed funding so much that it is almost impossible to get a PhD without either a spouse that can support you or just roll straight through from Bachelors to PhD and just be poor for a decade or more. The stipend for a doc student (to teach classes and what not) generally ranges from 20-30k annually. International students are much more willing to do that with either family footing their bill or just being super poor and dealing with it.
Why would I leave the 70-120k job you can get with an MBA to go back for a PhD as a domestic student in my field? Most Business PhDs I place in academia start around 110-130 conservatively. Why take 4 or 5 years to get the top end you would be at after your MBA? I did it for quality of life, but most don't have the opportunity and desire to sacrifice paycheck for a more functional day-to-day (with no travel!) and to teach research.
On top of all of it, since PhDs have a priority in the green card/visa process, many of my international students get PhDs to "jump the line" in the process. All of the mechanisms out there incentivize international students to get a PhD vs domestic ones. The only area that seems to be "pushed" for domestic PhDs seems to be in the DEI-heavy sectors. These areas the internationals tend to avoid due to the perception of the fields in their home countries. Even those super-soft social areas are seeing a major shift in international applicants because they want a simplified immigration pathway...
Getting a PhD in its current form for many disciplines is a mess. There isn't a ton of real incentives for my domestic students to keep going for a PhD....
When we were in school (probably now 15 years ago) our PhD cohorts were both 50/50 US vs International. Now, my current group of doc students under me is probably closer to 25/75, at best, instead.
Part of the issue is I can't find domestic doc students who can do the math and put in the work who want to get a PhD. Most of my "quality" Masters students go grab the paycheck instead of wanting to chase research. I completely understand their thinking. I could go back to consulting for double+ what I make now. I do it because I love research and it is much more conducive to work balance with our kids still being at a young age.
On top of it, they have cut higher ed funding so much that it is almost impossible to get a PhD without either a spouse that can support you or just roll straight through from Bachelors to PhD and just be poor for a decade or more. The stipend for a doc student (to teach classes and what not) generally ranges from 20-30k annually. International students are much more willing to do that with either family footing their bill or just being super poor and dealing with it.
Why would I leave the 70-120k job you can get with an MBA to go back for a PhD as a domestic student in my field? Most Business PhDs I place in academia start around 110-130 conservatively. Why take 4 or 5 years to get the top end you would be at after your MBA? I did it for quality of life, but most don't have the opportunity and desire to sacrifice paycheck for a more functional day-to-day (with no travel!) and to teach research.
On top of all of it, since PhDs have a priority in the green card/visa process, many of my international students get PhDs to "jump the line" in the process. All of the mechanisms out there incentivize international students to get a PhD vs domestic ones. The only area that seems to be "pushed" for domestic PhDs seems to be in the DEI-heavy sectors. These areas the internationals tend to avoid due to the perception of the fields in their home countries. Even those super-soft social areas are seeing a major shift in international applicants because they want a simplified immigration pathway...
Getting a PhD in its current form for many disciplines is a mess. There isn't a ton of real incentives for my domestic students to keep going for a PhD....
Posted on 7/9/24 at 3:53 pm to mudshuvl05
After reading a couple of pages of your post history, I get it now. I'm actually not sorry I hurt your fragile feelings after all. Making you shake like a snowflake is quite funny now. Nice to meet you.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 3:58 pm to Loup
quote:
I wanted slam his stupid face into the table.
Why didn't you? Were you too scared?
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:03 pm to theliontamer
My brother has a PhD. He was a very important guy until he retired rich and happy. Now he does very important non (former) work and is even happier than when he was a VIP, making tons of money for a fortune 50 company.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:12 pm to Gaston
quote:
When I was in grad school at LSU I was the only US citizen
I don't believe you.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:15 pm to theliontamer
I still feel incomplete with just a Master’s… need to be called “doctor” in something before I’m 45 
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:22 pm to theliontamer
HELL YEAH BROTHER. frick THOSE LIBTARDS, ONLY COMMIES GET HIGHER EDUCATION
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:30 pm to LegendInMyMind
quote:I might have 2 dozen posts in that, you named it, "echo chamber." What a delusional, emotional post.
The guy who spends way too much time in the echo chamber that is the PT board accuses others of "groupthink". Then, tries to claim some moral high ground by calling someone racist like be doesn't regularly call others names like "autistic retard".
Sounds about right.
Don't bother replying, mud......I don't give a shite.
quote:What a chicken shite. So, "let me make this up about a man, and insist he isn't allowed to reply back because I'm taking my ball and going home." And all of the above is rich coming from you my guy: I honestly cannot comprehend what sort of jobs people like you have with your incessant, non-stop posting.
Don't bother replying, mud......I don't give a shite.
What it is, is that you said, "uh oh," because you thought I was talking out of my arse, and then when I quantify my assertion, you have this nice little melt above, drop a shite post, and move on.
I hate to sound like your boy slowproflow, but I believe I'll take this W.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:31 pm to theliontamer
Most of my family has 1 and they are pretty normal. I however joined the military.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:37 pm to theliontamer
My sister just completed hers and she is going to be a plastic surgeon and is conservative politically
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