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re: DKE fraternity in the news again
Posted on 2/15/19 at 1:54 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 2/15/19 at 1:54 pm to lsupride87
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The shite these guys did is ridiculous, but the "victims" are actively choosing to participate as adults
Doesn't matter.
The state has a societal interest in deterring psychopaths who think degenerate and abusive behavior like this is morally acceptable and does not reflect on them poorly.
To make another analogy, a wife may be ok with and rationalizing her husband abusing her and forcing her into sex and doing other things she doesn't want to do but he's still getting arrested if there's credible evidence of his culpability.
This post was edited on 2/15/19 at 1:58 pm
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Posted on 2/15/19 at 1:55 pm to financetiger
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Some victims claimed they were forced to lie on broken glass while they were urinated on and sprayed with hoses.
Man anyone who would agree to this is a bitch. You can justify it anyway you want, but there is no way in hell being in a fraternity is worth being pissed on. If you are willing to do that, then people can get you to do just about anything.
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instructed pledges to steal tarps from a construction site
It might be cute and funny when they do it at the time, but if they pick a construction site that just so happened to have some other materials stolen off of it the night before or recently, and the contractor decides to sleep on site (his truck). If he sees someone stealing off of his site, he isn't going to care who you are.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 1:57 pm to SouthernImmigrant
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Also my pledge class smeared shite on yalls front door handle.
Imagine thinking this is normal and mentally healthy behavior for a well adjusted adult.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 2:04 pm to chinese58
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We had an active that wouldn't sign one pledge's paddle. We kidnapped him on the day of a home football game, stole a keg that was for the after party, and didn't show up for the party. We took him out to a pledge's dad's camp, tried to get him drunk. When that didn't work, we tied him to a tree, poured gas on the ground around him, and the tree, lit it, and didn't cut him loose until he had signed it.
When I read shite like this, I think to myself and go like, man it's not the biggest shock at all that people want to wipe the greek system off the face of the Earth and make sure it never returns.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 2:14 pm to Sentrius
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Doesn't matter.
The state has a societal interest in deterring psychopaths who think degenerate and abusive behavior like this is morally acceptable and does not reflect on them poorly.
To make another analogy, a wife may be ok with and rationalizing her husband abusing her and forcing her into sex and doing other things she doesn't want to do but he's still getting arrested if there's credible evidence of his culpability.
Furthermore the "Max Gruver Law" passed last year specifically excludes consent as a defense. These guys are screwed, it only remains to be seen whether the DA wants to make an example of them or let them off with a slap on the wrist after the heat dies down.
BTW a relative of one of these kids has been posting on social media, basically an upper middle class version of "he dindu nuffin." Intelligence or situational awareness doesn't seem to be a strong suit of any of these folks. When you're in a hole, the first thing you should do is stop digging.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 2:52 pm to cyarrr
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I agree, do pledges want to belong so much that they lose their sense of dignity? How does an able bodied adult male allow another person to do this to them. I just can't wrap my mind around this.
I wasn't a DKE at LSU but also participated in a pretty intense hazing situation. In my experience, it kind of escalates as the weeks go on as the shittier actives try to one up each other. By the time the really bad stuff happens, pledges are in pretty deep and just trying to hang on until the end. We were also massively sleep-deprived and crazy ourselves, so some of it doesn't seem all that abnormal in the moment. Overall, pledgeship was a funny and absurd experience, but I look back on a few individual incidents and cringe.
All that said, a few of the incidents in this case are a little much.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:14 pm to Crowknowsbest
The question remains, what really happened and what is the invention of a few butt hurt pledges that got cut??
I'm sure there is some exaggeration in those stories!
Let's be real...beating pledges with a pipe in the face and back of the head? WTF, was it the pipe my grandpa smoked? a Peace Pipe?? Cause that's emergency room shite if not, and I am not buying it.
Lying on glass? Could that be planks with actives drinking beer and smashing a bottle or two around you?
Cause that seems realistic, maybe pushing them over hard with their foot (ie. kicking them with steel-toed boots)? I went through pledgeship too, not a DKE but this sounds like butt hurt kids that got cut.
The pissing is over the top if real, and the gasoline is def over the top, but it sounds like the other actives immediately took the kid to the shower to rinse him off. Bad but at least others recognized it and did their best to fix it.
As far as age of guys, this stuff happened over last fall, maybe some earlier and most of the older guys got charged with failure to report. Basically officers that didn't rat out their frat brothers, I would assume.
Bottom-line, this shite is probably half as bad as what the DKE'S from the 80's & 90's went through, but the SJW's of the world will not allow them to exist today. It's sad that this shite is a big deal, since they aren't making the kids chug a bottle of Everclear, which would be the real part of hazing they should be worried about.
Paddling and other rituals are really no big deal in the grand scheme of things!
I'm sure there is some exaggeration in those stories!
Let's be real...beating pledges with a pipe in the face and back of the head? WTF, was it the pipe my grandpa smoked? a Peace Pipe?? Cause that's emergency room shite if not, and I am not buying it.
Lying on glass? Could that be planks with actives drinking beer and smashing a bottle or two around you?
Cause that seems realistic, maybe pushing them over hard with their foot (ie. kicking them with steel-toed boots)? I went through pledgeship too, not a DKE but this sounds like butt hurt kids that got cut.
The pissing is over the top if real, and the gasoline is def over the top, but it sounds like the other actives immediately took the kid to the shower to rinse him off. Bad but at least others recognized it and did their best to fix it.
As far as age of guys, this stuff happened over last fall, maybe some earlier and most of the older guys got charged with failure to report. Basically officers that didn't rat out their frat brothers, I would assume.
Bottom-line, this shite is probably half as bad as what the DKE'S from the 80's & 90's went through, but the SJW's of the world will not allow them to exist today. It's sad that this shite is a big deal, since they aren't making the kids chug a bottle of Everclear, which would be the real part of hazing they should be worried about.
Paddling and other rituals are really no big deal in the grand scheme of things!
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:15 pm to Jim Rockford
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Furthermore the "Max Gruver Law" passed last year specifically excludes consent as a defense. These guys are screwed
It's six months in prison that's absolutely no walk in the park, anywhere between from 1,000 to 10,000 dollars out of their wallet for a fine and a felony conviction that will follow them around for the rest of their lives impacting their chances in the job market.
Yep. That's the definition of being screwed but they'll have a chance to learn from this and be upstanding citizens that contribute to their communities to the best of their abilities.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:47 pm to Jim Rockford
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BTW a relative of one of these kids has been posting on social media, basically an upper middle class version of "he dindu nuffin."
I can’t back to the thread to post this actually.
Saw this shared on my Facebook page.
Lansing Brakenridge, the sister of Charles Brakenridge posted this to Facebook along with a link to an article about the story:
“I was going to refrain from saying anything, but I couldn’t hold back after reading countless comments slandering my brother like “their parents must be proud” or “disgusting”. You know what? My parents are proud AF, and I am one proud AF sister. My brother is one of the most incredible people on this planet. He is dedicated, kindhearted, and sincere. He is dependable and trustworthy. You can always count on him in your time of need. He took on the role of being Vice President as a 5th year senior out of dedication to his chapter, so it kills me to see him being blasted on social media as someone he isn’t. I am by no means justifying this behavior, but everyone knows hazing still goes on. People also know that DEKE has the toughest pledgeship on campus. If you can’t stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen. These boys could have left at anytime, and this story has been way over exaggerated. In reality, you people blasting my brother have no idea what you’re talking about. You don’t know any of these boys or the actual story. You don’t know the victims of this scenario or their intentions. My brother has been charged for simply being an executive officer of a fraternity. Mind your own damn business, and go preach what you’ve written online to your own kids. I promise you they aren’t as perfect as you think??”
Keep in mind this is a Natchez family, so they’re all about the Facebook appearances.
Also was told by a buddy a few years younger that she is kind of annoying and snobby. But like I said, Natchez .
Posted on 2/15/19 at 3:52 pm to SouthernImmigrant
quote:I really hope someone responded to this with "So, who exactly did your brother piss on?"
Lansing Brakenridge, the sister of Charles Brakenridge posted this to Facebook along with a link to an article about the story:
“I was going to refrain from saying anything, but I couldn’t hold back after reading countless comments slandering my brother like “their parents must be proud” or “disgusting”. You know what? My parents are proud AF, and I am one proud AF sister. My brother is one of the most incredible people on this planet. He is dedicated, kindhearted, and sincere. He is dependable and trustworthy. You can always count on him in your time of need. He took on the role of being Vice President as a 5th year senior out of dedication to his chapter, so it kills me to see him being blasted on social media as someone he isn’t. I am by no means justifying this behavior, but everyone knows hazing still goes on. People also know that DEKE has the toughest pledgeship on campus. If you can’t stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen. These boys could have left at anytime, and this story has been way over exaggerated. In reality, you people blasting my brother have no idea what you’re talking about. You don’t know any of these boys or the actual story. You don’t know the victims of this scenario or their intentions. My brother has been charged for simply being an executive officer of a fraternity. Mind your own damn business, and go preach what you’ve written online to your own kids. I promise you they aren’t as perfect as you think??”
Posted on 2/15/19 at 4:17 pm to TigersSEC2010
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Pretty much every DKE from the last 15 years would have gotten arrested if anybody cared enough to investigate them. They moved on from Animal House fun to creepy arse hard drug use pretty fast.
I rember when they came back a year or two into me being at LSU. They kept with the Nola guys, but these guys were just the nerdy drug dudes. It was strange.
This post was edited on 2/15/19 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 2/15/19 at 4:22 pm to Jim Rockford
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Furthermore the "Max Gruver Law" passed last year specifically excludes consent as a defense. These guys are screwed, it only remains to be seen whether the DA wants to make an example of them or let them off with a slap on the wrist after the heat dies down.
From LSU we were told hazing, consent to hazing, or not reporting it could all land people in trouble.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 4:26 pm to Hangover Haven
They actually look exactly how I thought. Except for guy bottom middle. Rest look like a bunch of dudes that went to Catholic school in Nola.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 4:33 pm to SouthernImmigrant
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Also my pledge class smeared shite on yalls front door handle.
fricking pansy
That's a dke for you. And they wonder why they are getting the boot and have before.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 5:30 pm to dgnx6
I was an LSU DKE in the mid to late 1980's. I never got kicked, beaten with a pipe, had gasoline poured on me or had cigarettes put out on me. Pledgeship was tough, but the fun greatly outweighed the effort. All we did was offend the perpetually offended.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 6:07 pm to Tbobby
Them baws better leave them goats alone.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 6:20 pm to SouthernImmigrant
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But like I said, Natchez .
Preach. I have a relative who married into it. That pilgrimage shite is all the pretentiousness of an old line Mardi Gras krewe without any of the fun.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 6:26 pm to SouthernImmigrant
I can't believe it's been 2-1/2 hours and there hasn't been a single "pics?" post about Lansing Brakenridge.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 6:42 pm to White Roach
What LSU administrators were put on leave as a result of this investigation?
Posted on 2/15/19 at 6:47 pm to financetiger
Stuff happens at that house but not to those extremes, this is fake news.
Misdemeanors and felonies based on testimony from a single individual with no corroboration, watch as these charges disintegrate under actual scrutiny.
Misdemeanors and felonies based on testimony from a single individual with no corroboration, watch as these charges disintegrate under actual scrutiny.
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