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Posted on 9/21/18 at 7:16 pm to AMS
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Well its true that water dissolves in water. Pure water has a molarity. Molarity deals with solutes in a solution. This means water is a solute as well as a solvent in solution.
No matter how many times you repeat this, it doesn’t make it true.
Do us a favor and never have kids.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 7:18 pm to subotic
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It's like a teacher telling you that you can't divide by zero, but still trying.
You cannot increase the concentration of something by adding more of that something, you can only increase volume. The molarity of water stands only for the molecular weight of H2O per liter. THAT IS IT...not what concentration of water is dissolved in water. That is nonsense that a child could reasonably put down.
First of all, yes you can in general, more salt added to water increases the concentration and volume.
In the case of water, you are correct. you cannot concentrate it more, because it is saturated with water already so only volume increases.
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. The molarity of water stands only for the molecular weight of H2O per liter.
molarity does not change its definition because you are referring to water.
molarity is moles of SOLUTE/LITER SOLUTION. water has a molarity. if water was not a solute then water would not have a molarity.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 7:25 pm to beerJeep
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No matter how many times you repeat this, it doesn’t make it true.
Do us a favor and never have kids.
I mean you don't think H2O can hydrogen bond nor have van der waahls forces.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 7:25 pm to AMS
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mean you don't think H2O can hydrogen bond nor have van der waahls forces.
Not with itself it can’t
It takes TWO to tango buddy.
This post was edited on 9/21/18 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 9/21/18 at 7:28 pm to beerJeep
Water
A ubiquitous example of a hydrogen bond is found between water molecules
thats like the most basic example of H-bonds. Water. Day 1 stuff man.
ETA - I was never talking about just 1 molecule of water H-bonding. Nor did I refer to just 1 molecule of it, like at all.
Water H-bonds and has vanderwaals interactions with water. that was your definition of solvation.
A ubiquitous example of a hydrogen bond is found between water molecules
thats like the most basic example of H-bonds. Water. Day 1 stuff man.
ETA - I was never talking about just 1 molecule of water H-bonding. Nor did I refer to just 1 molecule of it, like at all.
Water H-bonds and has vanderwaals interactions with water. that was your definition of solvation.
This post was edited on 9/21/18 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 9/21/18 at 7:30 pm to AMS
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I mean you don't think H2O can hydrogen bond nor have van der waahls forces
I know right? I definitely understand what you guys are talking about and that guy is an idiot.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 7:35 pm to AMS
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that was your definition of solvation.
Wrong. This is the definition of solvation
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Solvation describes the interaction of solvent with dissolved molecules. Ionized and uncharged molecules, interact strongly with solvent, and the strength and nature of this interaction influences many properties of the solute, including solubility, reactivity, and color, as well as influencing the properties of the solvent such as the viscosity and density.[
Water can’t solvate itself. Water doesn’t disolve water in itself.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 7:40 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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ETA: Bravo for bringing this up just before lunch on a Friday. I have high hopes that this is going to be the OT argument thread of the week.
Called it
Had this open from earlier and blew up to 10 pages
Posted on 9/21/18 at 7:41 pm to beerJeep
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In the process of solvation, ions are surrounded by a concentric shell of solvent. Solvation is the process of reorganizing solvent and solute molecules into solvation complexes. Solvation involves bond formation, hydrogen bonding, and van der Waals forces.
ill refer to the relevant part of your definition.
new bonds being formed, H-bonds, van der waaals.
Water interacts with water.
h30+ <--> h20 + H20 <--> OH-
Ions and bonds reorganize into solvation complexes
Water has a molarity. water is BOTH solute and solvent.
This post was edited on 9/21/18 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 9/21/18 at 7:48 pm to subotic
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So I wouldn't really consider this an issue of semantics as much as you just feel like you can bend the definitions of the English language to avoid looking like an idiot.
Well, he's failed at that.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 7:51 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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Well, he's failed at that.
Only if saying that water has no defined shape, but does take the shape of its container is idiotic.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 7:53 pm to AMS
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Ions and bonds reorganize into solvation complexes Water has a molarity. water is BOTH solute and solvent.
Yep. It sure can be a solute or a solvent. That doesn’t mean water can solvate the identical water
Now, if you want to make the argument of fresh and salt water, sure. But identical water cannot solvate itself
Posted on 9/21/18 at 7:56 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
And slow is fast.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 7:57 pm to TigerstuckinMS
BTW, I'm counting on any of you that might know DJ Chark to point him to this thread so he can see the kind of reach he has.
With great power comes great responsibility.
With great power comes great responsibility.
This post was edited on 9/21/18 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 9/21/18 at 8:03 pm to beerJeep
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Yep. It sure can be a solute or a solvent
Ok cool. We are building again. water is both a solute and a solvent.
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But identical water cannot solvate itself
Except it does. Its a rudimentary equilibrium concept see below and notice there are no other salts added. Just water + water.
H30+ <--> H20 + H20 <--> OH-
Notice Ions forming, Van der waals forming. Changing bonds and forces means rearrangement. Hydration shells around the ions. Water dissolving in water.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 8:16 pm to AMS
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Water dissolving in water.
Nope. Just an increase in the volume of water.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 8:19 pm to beerJeep
The OP tried to make fun of Chark but I think many of the posters have pondered this and ?? Genius! He’s just thinking on a higher plane
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