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re: Disney. One statement to sum up the current state of affairs in the park.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 12:04 pm to OysterPoBoy
Posted on 3/6/22 at 12:04 pm to OysterPoBoy
No masks. Even southwest wasn’t being as strict.
TSA Orlando on the other hand….
TSA Orlando on the other hand….
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Posted on 3/6/22 at 12:08 pm to Roy Curado
Actually you should read the books by Lee Cockerell. He saved the parks in the nineties when Eisner ran them into the ground. You used to get really good service for the money. Fortune 500 companies and many more send/sent their management to the Disney Institute just to learn how they do service. They created value. That ship has sailed though.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 12:10 pm to lakeviewtiger
It’s a solid place for people watching. The amount of lymphedema and lipedema on pasty white legs that haven’t seen the sun in 2-3 years is astounding.
People talk about the obesity there, but it’s not like your typical 300 lb baw with morbid obesity that played offensive line in high school (and kept gaining weight) that at least has a base of muscle underneath their cloak of blubber. The typical Disney morbid obesity is soft, mushy, and weak.
The Ratatouille ride at Epcot was solid. Just too many people everywhere with too long of lines for everything.
People talk about the obesity there, but it’s not like your typical 300 lb baw with morbid obesity that played offensive line in high school (and kept gaining weight) that at least has a base of muscle underneath their cloak of blubber. The typical Disney morbid obesity is soft, mushy, and weak.
The Ratatouille ride at Epcot was solid. Just too many people everywhere with too long of lines for everything.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 12:10 pm to molsusports
We go place like that too. I bought into DVC…been to New Zealand, Maine, Eureka Springs, Ozarks, Smokies and more. Now that my younger kids are older, we will start doing trips like Yellowstone and Glacier.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 12:10 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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If I had a dime for every Disney thread in the last 3 weeks I'd have like 86 dimes
Posted on 3/6/22 at 12:13 pm to TheeRealCarolina
I think you are missing the point. Walt Disney initially envisioned Epcot at a "City of Tomorrow", and when that turned out to not be practical, Disney corp. at least kept Epcot as a unique fusion of education, culture, and entertainment, and that was what drew so many visitors, including myself. Each of the attractions I mentioned had a uniquely educational and cultural aspect whilst also being entertaining.
Today, Disney management has thrown the cultural aspects out the window and has instead tried to commercialize everything in the worst way possible. That is my problem. If they had, say, updated each attraction while keeping the core essence which made each one great, that would be a different issue and I would be open to updates. But to sell out in the manner which they have done is something entirely different.
Culture was the "magic" of Epcot. And now it has vanished...it is now just like any other overpriced theme park packed with tourists and forgettable attractions.
Today, Disney management has thrown the cultural aspects out the window and has instead tried to commercialize everything in the worst way possible. That is my problem. If they had, say, updated each attraction while keeping the core essence which made each one great, that would be a different issue and I would be open to updates. But to sell out in the manner which they have done is something entirely different.
Culture was the "magic" of Epcot. And now it has vanished...it is now just like any other overpriced theme park packed with tourists and forgettable attractions.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 12:13 pm to Lawyered
Actually, it is the most basic thing they can do is say, thanks for coming and spending your money with us.
First time I’ve ever seen a basic service tenet not being performed at a Disney park.
It’s more of a surprise than I felt entitled to it.
First time I’ve ever seen a basic service tenet not being performed at a Disney park.
It’s more of a surprise than I felt entitled to it.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 12:14 pm to lakeviewtiger
We just got back and had a blast. Thought the CM we ran into were great and very accommodating. Had a couple bend over backwards for us to move Genie+ reservations around for us because our youngest was asleep.
Spent 4 park days there. Paid well under $5k for everything. Rooms, tickets, travel, food and souvenirs.
Set your expectations beforehand and do your planning. I know to some people that isn’t the idea of a vacation but gone are the days where you can just roll up to Disney and have a magical time.
Only complaints would be the scooter people are multiplying. 90% are fully able to walk but because their family can cut every line with them it makes it a huge benefit. Most of them let the kids sit on their lap and drive it.
Also, the international vacationers are some of the most unaware people on the planet. Imagine walking through a crowded area and the person in front of you just decides to stop on a dime to type a text. Completely frustrating.
Spent 4 park days there. Paid well under $5k for everything. Rooms, tickets, travel, food and souvenirs.
Set your expectations beforehand and do your planning. I know to some people that isn’t the idea of a vacation but gone are the days where you can just roll up to Disney and have a magical time.
Only complaints would be the scooter people are multiplying. 90% are fully able to walk but because their family can cut every line with them it makes it a huge benefit. Most of them let the kids sit on their lap and drive it.
Also, the international vacationers are some of the most unaware people on the planet. Imagine walking through a crowded area and the person in front of you just decides to stop on a dime to type a text. Completely frustrating.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 12:14 pm to lakeviewtiger
We are pot committed for a trip right after the kids get out of school in May. DVC points rented and paid for, park tickets purchased, etc.
We have been to Disney many times. Wife and kids (no pics) have been a couple of times since COIVD started, but this will be my first.
I don't mind the crowds if the price is right.
I don't mind the price is the service is good.
I have a huge issue with high prices, crowds, and low service.
I'm kinda hoping that this trip opens the wife's eyes. She is a fangirl of the highest order.
Most of the great employees over the years were lifer employees, retirees looking for something to do, and the college program.
The lifers are all gone and replaced by lower paid employees. The retirees are still staying away, scared by COVID. And the college program is helping but it's not up to normal yet.
We have been to Disney many times. Wife and kids (no pics) have been a couple of times since COIVD started, but this will be my first.
I don't mind the crowds if the price is right.
I don't mind the price is the service is good.
I have a huge issue with high prices, crowds, and low service.
I'm kinda hoping that this trip opens the wife's eyes. She is a fangirl of the highest order.
Most of the great employees over the years were lifer employees, retirees looking for something to do, and the college program.
The lifers are all gone and replaced by lower paid employees. The retirees are still staying away, scared by COVID. And the college program is helping but it's not up to normal yet.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 12:16 pm to leftyloosey
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They have jacked up prices and are still overflowing. What's their incentive to put in more effort on the state of the product?
Yup.
Until demand tapers off, I don't expect much to change. And there is a ton of pent up demand.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 12:18 pm to TIGERHOLD
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(Am I the only one here who remembers the awesome mural they had? I will try and attach a pic of it.)
I member.
But they put Frozen there because anything Frozen was selling and popular like crazy.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 12:21 pm to BeerMoney
IMO
Best to bring kids when they aren't afraid of some bigger rides
Best to bring kids when they aren't afraid of some bigger rides
Posted on 3/6/22 at 12:52 pm to LSUFanHouston
Same here.
Spoke with a couple lifers, some still employed and some recently retired.
That’s their concern. The hard core Disney cast members are being replaced by folks who don’t really care.
Disney also slashed their benefits too. The amount of passes they received was greatly reduced.
Spoke with a couple lifers, some still employed and some recently retired.
That’s their concern. The hard core Disney cast members are being replaced by folks who don’t really care.
Disney also slashed their benefits too. The amount of passes they received was greatly reduced.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 12:55 pm to oreeg
Don’t get me wrong. There are still exceptional cast members. However the new batch is definitely different.
Scooter folk are indeed multiplying.
Lol the international folks have no self awareness at all. You are spot on
Scooter folk are indeed multiplying.
Lol the international folks have no self awareness at all. You are spot on
Posted on 3/6/22 at 12:56 pm to lsusteve1
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Best to bring kids when they aren't afraid of some bigger rides
Not to be a badass, but I don't remember ever being afraid of any of the rides, nor my sisters.
Which rides make kids scared?
This post was edited on 3/6/22 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 3/6/22 at 1:01 pm to lakeviewtiger
We just got back ourselves. My wife, myself, and the kids who have been in the past all acknowledged that while it was fun it definitely lacked the “magic” that marks a typical Disney trip.
I don’t know if it was because of the more obvious attempts to squeeze every last dime out of the consumer, the less enthusiastic, sometimes rude staff, or the new, godawful Genie+ system but altogether it made for a less than stellar experience. We went once a year for 7 years up until 2020 and but will not be going back any time soon.
I don’t know if it was because of the more obvious attempts to squeeze every last dime out of the consumer, the less enthusiastic, sometimes rude staff, or the new, godawful Genie+ system but altogether it made for a less than stellar experience. We went once a year for 7 years up until 2020 and but will not be going back any time soon.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 1:02 pm to TIGERHOLD
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I think you are missing the point. Walt Disney initially envisioned Epcot at a "City of Tomorrow", and when that turned out to not be practical, Disney corp. at least kept Epcot as a unique fusion of education, culture, and entertainment, and that was what drew so many visitors, including myself. Each of the attractions I mentioned had a uniquely educational and cultural aspect whilst also being entertaining.
Which they still have, so I’m not sure what your point is.
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Today, Disney management has thrown the cultural aspects out the window and has instead tried to commercialize everything in the worst way possible. That is my problem. If they had, say, updated each attraction while keeping the core essence which made each one great, that would be a different issue and I would be open to updates. But to sell out in the manner which they have done is something entirely different.
They add a Nemo ride through and put a Frozen coat of paint on a ride and it broke you.
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Culture was the "magic" of Epcot. And now it has vanished.
Lol imagine being a grown arse adult male and saying this about Epcot.
Posted on 3/6/22 at 1:03 pm to Lsuespn
We made a pit stop for one park day on our way thru last Oct.
Passed 2 different ppl just walking thru park with a lit cig. No one told them anything while I was in ear shot
Passed 2 different ppl just walking thru park with a lit cig. No one told them anything while I was in ear shot
Posted on 3/6/22 at 1:06 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:Emperor of central Florida.
Hmm… I wonder what ole Walt really had in mind?
Posted on 3/6/22 at 1:08 pm to lakeviewtiger
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the international folks have no self awareness at all. You are spot on
What kind of international travelers are y’all experiencing? The overwhelming amount of out of country travelers I come across at Disney are South Americans and while they travel in herds, they keep it moving. Not that I wouldn’t mind their women slowing down a little and walking right in front of me.
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