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Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:53 am to
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
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Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:53 am to
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We just disagree on the root cause. I think it's poverty, you think it's race/culture.

a non insignificant % of the murders in baton rouge since 2016 or so have been related to NBA and TBG.

both groups have money. NBA Youngboy has A LOT of money. he's probably making over a million a month sitting in jail and they're still slangin' iron all over the city.

jacksonville has a very similar situation going on. atlanta too.

This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 11:55 am
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:53 am to
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So this goes back to my primary point.. If we can agree that people of any color can fall into the multi-generational cycle of poverty, drugs, crime, and other poor decisions that result from negative influences, what is the purpose of spending the time to highlight the correlation with a specific color of people rather than the correlation with poverty?

Trashy white people are, on average, far less violent.
This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 11:56 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:55 am to
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We just disagree on the root cause. I think it's poverty,


Poverty doesn't make you a shithead.

Your values and culture do.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
57826 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:57 am to
yeah, the bottom isn't really a place you have to worry about driving through. not a lot robberies on randos and whatnot.

i wouldn't feel as comfortable driving around ghost town, mall city, zion city, etc
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
36507 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:58 am to
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Trashy white people are, on average, far less violent.


I wouldn’t go that far. Trashy white people are a different kind of violent. Trashy white folk are much more apt to do the whole domestic violence thing. They are violent, just not drive by gang banger shite, for the most part.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:59 am to
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sooooooooooo you ever gonna give your reasoning for why each subsequent generation performs worse as they become Americanized or you gonna continue to beat around the bush with nonanswers?
Most likely because they are further removed from the specific people who were highly motivated. If you take the cream of the crop as far as being pull-up-by-the-bootstraps motivated, they are likely to perform above average regardless of where they move to. We still believe in personal responsibility and individual decision-making, yes? I would expect the same phenomenon for subsequent generations after those who escaped a bad environment within the country.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
74924 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 12:01 pm to
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I wouldn’t go that far. Trashy white people are a different kind of violent. Trashy white folk are much more apt to do the whole domestic violence thing. They are violent, just not drive by gang banger shite, for the most part.
Truth.

People are more likely to live with that since it isn’t as “random” though.
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 10/19/21 at 12:02 pm to
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yeah, the bottom isn't really a place you have to worry about driving through. not a lot robberies on randos and whatnot.

i wouldn't feel as comfortable driving around ghost town, mall city, zion city, etc

I wouldn't want to drive all the way down North Acadian during the daytime, particularly if we are talking about getting off on some of the side streets.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281857 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 12:05 pm to
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what is the purpose of spending the time to highlight the correlation with a specific color of people rather than the correlation with poverty?


The same could be said about any demographic information.


Why is the truth such a scary thing to progressives?
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
36507 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 12:08 pm to
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Most likely because they are further removed from the specific people who were highly motivated. If you take the cream of the crop as far as being pull-up-by-the-bootstraps motivated, they are likely to perform above average regardless of where they move to.


there you go with your racism again.
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We still believe in personal responsibility and individual decision-making, yes?


WE, as in YOU and me? No. WE do not believe in this. I do. You, however, do not, so there is no WE here.
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I would expect the same phenomenon for subsequent generations after those who escaped a bad environment within the country.


Sounds to me like you are saying there is a distinct culture at fault. Hm. imagine that.
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 10/19/21 at 12:15 pm to
6% of the population commits over 50% of the murders nationwide. It's really way less than 6% when you consider that the vast majority are ages 15-40.

That's a cultural issue. There are tons of poor whites and Hispanics in the country. What else would explain such a stark contrast in violent crime rates?
Posted by Breauxsif
Member since May 2012
22291 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 12:23 pm to
Evangeline is pretty bad too. I remember cutting through Thomas Delpit to get onto the interstate while at LSU. Ironically the Thomas Delpit road was in a lot better condition than shitty Nicholson Road.
Posted by LSU fan 246
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Posted on 10/19/21 at 12:25 pm to
:crickets:
Posted by Logician
Grinning Colonizer
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 10/19/21 at 12:42 pm to
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i agree. you completely ignored all the posts and snapshots about low income areas. since you didn't read it, i'll repeat it again: there is no consistency between low income areas and murders. you refused to reply to or refute it at all. all you can do is laugh...because you're a clown. laugh, clown.

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I think it's poverty, you think it's race/culture.

but WHY do you think it's poverty? what did you read, or what facts have you seen, or what authority on the subject told you that convinced you of this so thoroughly? show me. convince me, too.

i arrived at my conclusion based on facts and data over an entire diverse city. i showed my work and linked where i got it from. you have...anecdotal evidence from some black people you know? LOL, ok. that's what we should be laughing at.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29000 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 12:54 pm to
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6% of the population commits over 50% of the murders nationwide. It's really way less than 6% when you consider that the vast majority are ages 15-40.
And hey, if you keep breaking down the demographics eventually you arrive at 0.005% of the population commits 100% of the murders.

Look at what you've done here. You start with the black male demographic at 6% committing 50% of murders. Ok. But then you tried to make it sound even worse by suggesting that an even smaller percentage are in the young homicidal age range, without recognizing that blacks skew far younger than whites, with a median age more than a decade younger. Do you see the bias? The fact that most criminals are young and blacks skew young suggests that blacks are less violent than the initial statistic, but instead it's used to suggest that they are more violent. It's a mental perception adjustment in the wrong direction.


And spare me, guys, I'm not trying to excuse away murder. I'm just telling you that looking at things from a certain perspective, and sometimes outright flipping the facts, is counterproductive.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29000 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 12:59 pm to
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you completely ignored all the posts and snapshots about low income areas.
No I didn't. There is a clear correlation between low income areas and crime. There is also a clear correlation between low income areas and black population. It follows, of course, that there is a clear correlation between black population and crime. What, exactly, have I ignored?
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but WHY do you think it's poverty? what did you read, or what facts have you seen, or what authority on the subject told you that convinced you of this so thoroughly? show me. convince me, too.
WHY do you think it's skin color? What did you read, or what facts have you seen, or what authority on the subject convinced you of this so thoroughly? Show me. Convince me, too.

Maybe we can agree that it's "culture" instead. But now you'll have to convince me that "culture" is more closely tied to skin color than it is to socioeconomic status.
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
4980 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 1:08 pm to
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I think it's poverty, you think it's race/culture.


The truth is it's 2 parent households. Go check out the single motherhood rates and each race and you'll find the higher rate of single motherhood the worse the outcomes are.

Edit

Asian 84% 2 parent households
White 77%
Latino 66%
Black 37%


Literally explains the problems within the black community.

This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 1:14 pm
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
57826 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 1:08 pm to
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But now you'll have to convince me that "culture" is more closely tied to skin color than it is to socioeconomic status.
why doesn't west virginia's murder rate rival that of chicago's
Posted by Logician
Grinning Colonizer
Member since Jul 2013
4882 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 1:11 pm to
oh good, you're back.

please explain why these 3 low income areas aren't covered in murders.

if possible, please specifically address why in the 2nd pic dirt poor college kids 18-25 aren't murdering each other, and why in the 3rd pic a low income and highly dense black population "only" has one murder compared to a very similar population and density in north BR.

they're all low income areas according to the data, so what are the differences that could explain this?

i look forward to you dunking all over me with facts, figures, and links and completely demolishing my theory that it's primarily culture and not income.





This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 1:17 pm
Posted by Breauxsif
Member since May 2012
22291 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 1:13 pm to
Why are you continuously avoiding answering the statistics that were pointed out earlier about who commits the vast majority of violent crime in the United States?
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