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re: Disagree with government on Covid restrictions? Well you’re going on a terror watch list
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:29 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:29 pm to OMLandshark
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Whatever happened to “My Body My Choice”?
The other position here is that both pregnancy and human immunity have social contexts, which might negate individual choice versus what's best for the group. Because human evolution likely operated at multi-level selection rather than group or individual selection levels, you could easily argue against both an individual's right to choose in the context of pregnancy choice and human immunity. That's the biologically consistent position.
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Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:29 pm to OMLandshark
The older I get the more I realize government isn’t some God like mystical entity creating things
It’s literally people less intelligent than me who devoted their lives to manipulating and bribing and greasing the right wheels to end up in a position of power
This mandate was most likely written by a few White House staffers with BLM bumper stickers who are double masked wearing the plastic face shields and probably have a tranny pride flag in their apartment somewhere.
It’s no longer about what is best for the country. It’s all about what is best for their team. And we are losing.
It’s literally people less intelligent than me who devoted their lives to manipulating and bribing and greasing the right wheels to end up in a position of power
This mandate was most likely written by a few White House staffers with BLM bumper stickers who are double masked wearing the plastic face shields and probably have a tranny pride flag in their apartment somewhere.
It’s no longer about what is best for the country. It’s all about what is best for their team. And we are losing.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:29 pm to TxTiger82
quote:Explain how it isn’t true?
What is Godwin's law for 1000, please?
You want to force Americans under threat of violence, both economic and legal, to perform an action.
Explain how it isn’t fascism?
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:30 pm to TxTiger82
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and the common good
Another one. Here in this thread you're calling people selfish then appealing to some common good..
frick that. We are a split society, I do what's best for my family.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:30 pm to crazy4lsu
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social contexts,
Worthless when it comes to public safety.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:30 pm to Open Your Eyes
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None of has anything to do with you being stupid enough to think you’re the most intelligent person posting in this thread.
You keep harping on this point, so I'm guessing this is a big thing with you. Sorry you feel insecure about your own intelligence. That is really not my problem.
I'm not trying to talk down to you. I'm trying to explain the liberal perspective, which is that collective voluntarism has failed during the COVID 19 pandemic and therefore some level of government intervention is necessary, warranted, and constitutionally justified.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:31 pm to TxTiger82
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liberal perspective,
Doesn't exist. Democrats are hardcore statists, progressives.
This post was edited on 8/14/21 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:31 pm to TxTiger82
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This is a Stalin-esque attack on the legitimacy of elections. What was that Stalin said?
The only one coming off as Stalinist in this thread is YOU!
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Something about counting the votes being more important than casting them?
And guess who paraphrased him last month? None other than our own fricking senile President, Joe Biden. They’ve been saying that behind closed doors and that senile old kook let it slip:
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It's no longer just about who gets to vote or making it easier for eligible voters to vote. It's about who gets to count the vote -- who gets to count whether or not your vote counted at all.
That’s pretty much a call for the dissolution of the United States. You’re the one talking about that, so has this thought ever gone through your mind?
This post was edited on 8/14/21 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I do what's best for my family.
But what if what you believe is best for your family is bad for my family? Does your right to protect your family trump my right to protect mine?
I say no.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:31 pm to TxTiger82
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What was that Stalin said? Something about counting the votes being more important than casting them?
This is so rich it gave me diabeetus.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:32 pm to OMLandshark
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And guess who paraphrased him last month? None other than our own fricking senile President, Joe Biden.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:33 pm to TxTiger82
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But what if what you believe is best for your family is bad for my family?
Be a man
Protect your family, get them vaccinated, put three masks on them and you never have to worry about the great unwashed.
But progressives lie. They love "collective" morality.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Doesn't exist. Democrats are hardcore statists, progressives.
et tu, Roger? Have you completely shut down your capacity for cross-cutting debate over the past several years?
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:34 pm to TxTiger82
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Have you completely shut down your capacity for cross-cutting debate
Absolutely not
The progressive wing OWNS the Democrats right now.
You have no choice in the matter
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:35 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Be a man
I am being a man, trying to protect my family same as you.
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get them vaccinated
And what about those who are currently ineligible for vaccination? What about those who are too young to keep a mask on? What if some members of my extended family present dangers to members of my immediate family?
These are all questions that nobody has good answers for, and collective voluntarism has certainly not succeeded in protecting people's health and well being.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:35 pm to TxTiger82
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You mean like voting rights?
Please explain
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:36 pm to TxTiger82
quote:If what I believe is best for my family is in opposition to what you believe is best for your family, we figure out how to function while both holding our positions.
But what if what you believe is best for your family is bad for my family? Does your right to protect your family trump my right to protect mine?
I say no.
You are demanding that I take a position less favorable to my family and more favorable to yours, when you aren’t willing to take the position more favorable to my family and less favorable to yours.
It is incredibly selfish to demand that I cater to you while you are unwilling to do the same.
Your mindset is even more selfish than mine is and very warped.
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
How quickly you progs forget the Podesta fiasco
LINK
Progressive oligarchs run the Democrat party and call all the shots. This memo came out years ago and has been proven to be true.
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WikiLeaks: Among the curiosities spewed from John Podesta's email by WikiLeaks is an intriguing memo to a group of billionaires that outlines the real goals of the Democratic Party's progressive wing. Turns out they don't want to rig an election, they want to rig the whole system — demographics, politics, the media, everything.
The idea that the Democratic Party is the party of the "little man," as the old term would have it, is one of the great fallacies of our time, as this memo clearly shows.
Progressive oligarchs run the Democrat party and call all the shots. This memo came out years ago and has been proven to be true.
This post was edited on 8/14/21 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:38 pm to nugget
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It’s not your job to determine what’s good for the public as a whole. If you use single factor analysis with regards to Covid, which in your case seems to come from a lack of intellectual capacity, I guess we should lock down forever.
Yes, even if we get a 100% vaccination rate, this virus is still going to spread and some people are still going to die from it. Then Fauci will come out and say we need a booster and to lockdown again.
We have to kill this now. People need to reread one of the 20th Century’s masterpieces: If You Give a Mouse a Cookie. We’re well past the Mouse wanting to hang the drawing on the refrigerator. We’re at the point where the Mouse is hosting a rager with 10,000 of his buddies and is about to burn the fricking house down. No, enough’s enough. I’m not complying any further and really haven’t for months.
This post was edited on 8/14/21 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 8/14/21 at 2:38 pm to Scruffy
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You want to force Americans under threat of violence, both economic and legal, to perform an action.
Well, partly because words mean things, and we know from smallpox mandates (from specifically employers) that precede fascism that those mandates can also be under the purview of liberal governance. It's coercive, but it isn't fascism, which is a particular reaction to communism, liberalism, capitalism and monarchism formed from worker and national movements in the Fin de Siecle period.
In other words, there have been several events that could be considered just as coercive in liberal governance structures that are just functions of how power works when applied in a particular way. There's plenty of instances in American history of coercion on the level of what people would consider authoritarians, but people won't regard it as such.
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