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re: Derek Chauvin's defense....
Posted on 6/1/20 at 6:09 am to DiamondDog
Posted on 6/1/20 at 6:09 am to DiamondDog
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will be on the prosecutor to bring the correct charges.
This. People want murder 1 because they are emotionally driven idiots. The DA needs to charge correctly and the people need to realize that.
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Posted on 6/1/20 at 6:10 am to StringedInstruments
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The situation called for a restraint. He executed the knee-to-neck restraint as taught by the police academy and protocol allows for the restraint to remain in place until help arrives.
Is this true? Is Knee to the neck taught to officers?
Posted on 6/1/20 at 6:10 am to carguymatt
If you van talk you can breathe. Everyone knows that.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 6:10 am to red sox fan 13
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He ought to be a sacrificial lamb along with the other 3. Tough but we need to calm people down right now.
Absolutely terrible and evil take
Posted on 6/1/20 at 6:15 am to Walt OReilly
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People don’t want to hear it but he has reasonable defense
No he doesn't. Not only did he misapply the knee to the shoulders method to control a perp but he kept his knee on the man's neck for 8 minutes after cuffs were put on. He needs to be locked up, he's a criminal.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 6:24 am to double d
The guy absolutely did resist arrest. The video doesn’t show what was probably the worst part, but it does show very clearly that he was fighting them even after he had the cuffs on. The autopsy also showed predicting conditions and drugs in his system. Take out the riots and jury bias and the cop goes free. Given the fact that there is no such thing as an unbiased jury at this point, he is done for.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 6:33 am to AUCE05
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I think there is a strong chance he walks free
Not only is there not a strong chance. There isn't even a remote chance.
The other 3, possibly but likely accessories.
This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 11:38 am
Posted on 6/1/20 at 6:36 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Is this true? Is Knee to the neck taught to officers?
Yes
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Active Resistance: A response to police efforts to bring a person into custody or control for detainment or arrest. A subject engages in active resistance when engaging in physical actions (or verbal behavior reflecting an intention) to make it more difficult for officers to achieve actual physical control. (10/01/10) (04/16/12)
If at any time Mr. Floyd resisted he would be classified as actively resisting and would be able to be subdued using departmental approved methods for active resistance.
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5-311 USE OF NECK RESTRAINTS AND CHOKE HOLDS (10/16/02) (08/17/07) (10/01/10) (04/16/12) DEFINITIONS I.
Choke Hold: Deadly force option. Defined as applying direct pressure on a person’s trachea or airway (front of the neck), blocking or obstructing the airway (04/16/12)
Neck Restraint: Non-deadly force option. Defined as compressing one or both sides of a person’s neck with an arm or leg, without applying direct pressure to the trachea or airway (front of the neck). Only sworn employees who have received training from the MPD Training Unit are authorized to use neck restraints. The MPD authorizes two types of neck restraints: Conscious Neck Restraint and Unconscious Neck Restraint. (04/16/12)
Conscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with intent to control, and not to render the subject unconscious, by only applying light to moderate pressure. (04/16/12)
Unconscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with the intention of rendering the person unconscious by applying adequate pressure. (04/16/12)
An attorney will say he used the non deadly force option as outlined by policy of the police department and that was what he was trained to do.
Without seeing all the video, and with out a complete medical report we don’t know how strong a case he has, but the officers potentially have a very strong defense on what initially looked like a slam dunk case.
This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 6:38 am
Posted on 6/1/20 at 6:50 am to latech15
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The guy absolutely did resist arrest. The video doesn’t show what was probably the worst part, but it does show very clearly that he was fighting them even after he had the cuffs on.
Dude was in the back of the cop car before being pulled out and then placed into the infamous position.
Could have easily shut the door and avoided all of this.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 6:59 am to carguymatt
I personally dont think we’ve heard the whole story behind all of this, and prosecutors will bring it out. Nobody works for 17 years at a nightclub with another person in security, the very person they killed and there is no history behind that.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 6:59 am to red sox fan 13
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Nah. He ought to be a sacrificial lamb along with the other 3. Tough but we need to calm people down right now. Let him out later after it has died down if you have to
It's a scary day in this country when this philosophy takes hold.
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FWIW I think Manslaughter is a fair charge. I think that’s what it was.
Then he should be charged and convicted of manslaughter if that's where the evidence leads. You don't convict and imprison someone for something the evidence doesn't prove just to appease angry mobs though. That is an injustice that undermines the very foundations of this country's justice system.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:08 am to carguymatt
It appears Chauvin is a piece of shite but, his defense could put up hundreds if not thousands of arrests and restrained videos with “you’re killing me” or “ i can’t breath”. I think it would be hard to find one not saying it. Matter of fact is you can’t say it if you can’t breathe
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:10 am to carguymatt
George Floyd should not have been killed.
This post was edited on 6/2/20 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:20 am to ManBearTiger
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The barbarism we're seeing play out is the best defense in the world. You don't coddle a sick, rabid dog
I hope you do realize a lot of these so called rabid dogs rioting have a very very light pigmentation.
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:30 am to tiger7166
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his defense could put up hundreds if not thousands of arrests and restrained videos with “you’re killing me” or “ i can’t breath”
How many of them died immediately afterwards?
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:34 am to carguymatt
Wasn’t it taught by the MPD? That’ll probably be his defense
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:42 am to Geekboy
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:46 am to StringedInstruments
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He has one hope:
Autopsy says Floyd wasn’t killed solely by the knee-to-neck restraint. The situation called for a restraint. He executed the knee-to-neck restraint as taught by the police academy and protocol allows for the restraint to remain in place until help arrives.
Everything I have heard explicitly says that this is NOT taught in the police academy. Furthermore, help had arrived. There was a cop standing a few feet away and there were handcuffs on the victim. What more help do you need?
Posted on 6/1/20 at 7:47 am to tiger7166
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Matter of fact is you can’t say it if you can’t breathe
Why do people believe this lol
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