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re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today
Posted on 4/14/21 at 1:00 pm to hubreb
Posted on 4/14/21 at 1:00 pm to hubreb
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I'd imagine that if it being pushed down by force through a pipe (re combustion engine) some goes lower before it goes higher
There would be a lot more exposure to the exhaust from someone that is a couple feet above the pipe then there would be from someone's head on the ground. Take a look at your exhaust the next time it's cold.
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Posted on 4/14/21 at 1:00 pm to Rebel
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Funny. The HLN panel is saying the opposite. They are still twisting themselves in knots saying things like the “jury wasn’t paying attention”. and all kinds of other crazy things.
they are terrible - incredibly biased
Posted on 4/14/21 at 1:00 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Right. I was laughing at that.
"I went back to the books to see if I had missed something. The books only talk about tumors and objects stuck in the esophagus from choking. I'm not sure what they were looking at."
"I went back to the books to see if I had missed something. The books only talk about tumors and objects stuck in the esophagus from choking. I'm not sure what they were looking at."
This post was edited on 4/14/21 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 4/14/21 at 1:01 pm to Tiguar
This article summarizes the research the witness was referring to LINK
They even measured the force applied by someone using their knees on someone and it’s less than half of their actual body weight.
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In prior scientific studies, weights of up to 225 lbs. have been placed on a prone subject’s back without causing any clinically significant respiratory impairment, Kroll points out. For fatal consequences to be likely “would take two or more LEOs, weighing 287 lbs., each standing on the back of a prone subject,” he writes.
The measurements from his study were nowhere near those levels. The average force weight delivered by the single-knee techniques ranged from merely 55 to 73 lbs., regardless of the officer’s body weight, Kroll reports. The weight from the double-knee technique was “slightly” greater, but even then the average weight force for a 200-lb. officer was about 99 lbs., still well below a consequential level in terms of injury potential. “In force-involved litigation,” Kroll writes, “the weight of the LEO, including all equipment, is often stressed” as presenting a risk of great physical damage. The underlying “presumption—that a large fraction of the LEO’s weight is transferred” to the subject—“stands refuted by these data.”
They even measured the force applied by someone using their knees on someone and it’s less than half of their actual body weight.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 1:01 pm to Lg
While your point is taken, that could easily be dismissed based off the temperature difference.
Hot air rises. But it’s probable it will still rise even if the temperature is 80 degrees out.
Hot air rises. But it’s probable it will still rise even if the temperature is 80 degrees out.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 1:02 pm to Lg
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There would be a lot more exposure to the exhaust from someone that is a couple feet above the pipe then there would be from someone's head on the ground. Take a look at your exhaust the next time it's cold.
agree, that is why i think he is only using as contributing factor
Posted on 4/14/21 at 1:03 pm to 777Tiger
quote:Mmmm...I don't think so. Not sure how those two would even intersect, really.
ironically, I'll bet the crime rate went up because of the higher quality of hire?
I would say that for a large metro department we didn't have any of these brutality cases or questionable OISs like the ones we've seen lately. Don't get me wrong, we had OISs and if someone needed to get skullthumped they'd get skullthumped, but I put that all on the quality of our hires and our deep training program.
quote:No, no offense taken. I'm proud of the cities I've served and their leadership (elected and appointed). I think if more PDs and SOs made the investment in their people like ours did in us, there'd be a drastic improvement across the board.
meant no offense, that's why I threw in "in general"
Posted on 4/14/21 at 1:03 pm to hubreb
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they are terrible - incredibly biased
They are worse than biased. They are cheerleaders. Should Chauvin be acquitted, and more people die in riots, they should be held complicit.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 1:04 pm to DaBeerz
quote:I laugh about what Nelson is doing regarding reasonable Doubt.
Nelson is smart as hell
Expert 1: died due to OD
Expert 2: Died due to heart attack
Expert 3: Died due to x
Expert 4: died due to y
Expert 5: died due to z
Expert 6: died due to auto exhaust
...
It's like Where's Waldo version of Who/What killed St. George of the Floyd?
Get a long line of certified, experienced Forensic/Medical Experts each testifying a different condition(s) caused the death. Voila, reasonable doubt as to any and all causes, including actions or inactions of defendant.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 1:04 pm to Lg
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Take a look at your exhaust the next time it's cold.
You can’t see carbon monoxide. What you are seeing is water vapor. I’m not sure if carbon monoxide behaves the same way as water vapor but I wouldn’t assume you can just look at a tailpipe and determine that.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 1:06 pm to Sidicous
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I laugh about what Nelson is doing regarding reasonable Doubt.
Expert 1: died due to OD
Expert 2: Died due to heart attack
Expert 3: Died due to x
Expert 4: died due to y
Expert 5: died due to z
Expert 6: died due to auto exhaust
...
It's like Where's Waldo version of Who/What killed St. George of the Floyd?
Get a long line of certified, experienced Forensic/Medical Experts each testifying a different condition(s) caused the death. Voila, reasonable doubt as to any and all causes, including actions or inactions of defendant.
AMS said he died of manslaughter
Posted on 4/14/21 at 1:11 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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Not sure how those two would even intersect, really.
higher educated cops catch things that lesser educated cops wouldn't? more arrests=more crime? higher crime rate, took a CJ class in college and the prof brought that up, I think it was SDSU, maybe, that at the time had one of the best CJ school in the country and because of the quantity of graduates looking for a job, the local PD required a masters for new hire cops, consequently, because of the over all higher educated force, the crime rate increased after a few years of this, he could of been full of bs, but it makes sense to me
Posted on 4/14/21 at 1:14 pm to tgrbaitn08
quote:What AMS has to say on any, and every, subject is of zero value anywhere, anytime, outside of a punchline.
AMS said he died of manslaughter
Posted on 4/14/21 at 1:23 pm to 777Tiger
quote:Ah, I get you.
higher educated cops catch things that lesser educated cops wouldn't? more arrests=more crime? higher crime rate, took a CJ class in college and the prof brought that up, I think it was SDSU, maybe, that at the time had one of the best CJ school in the country and because of the quantity of graduates looking for a job, the local PD required a masters for new hire cops, consequently, because of the over all higher educated force, the crime rate increased after a few years of this, he could of been full of bs, but it makes sense to me
I suppose that could be, but both cities I was in were always in and out of those "top 25 safest/dog-friendly/happiest-citizens" lists. But who knows how they gauge all of that?
I saw more of what you're describing from a certain religious group that was well-represented in one of the departments. They really viewed themselves as God's soldiers, and had no mercy. Jaywalking, a crumbled up roach, cracked windshield...they were ruthless.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 1:23 pm to Sidicous
Exactly, he will convince some simpletons on the jury... but I agree the knee did not cause his death
Posted on 4/14/21 at 1:24 pm to Sidicous
Keep in mind 50 FBI agents handled the investigation. The full weight of the FBI was used to try and convict Chauvin.
14 of the brightest activist legal minds were brought together to handle the prosecution.
On the defense there is just Nelson and his assistant that only passed the bar a few months ago.
And here we are.
14 of the brightest activist legal minds were brought together to handle the prosecution.
On the defense there is just Nelson and his assistant that only passed the bar a few months ago.
And here we are.
Posted on 4/14/21 at 1:25 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
Sounds like LDS?
Posted on 4/14/21 at 1:25 pm to Rebel
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Keep in mind 50 FBI agents handled the investigation. The full weight of the FBI was used to try and convict Chauvin. 14 of the brightest activist legal minds were brought together to handle the prosecution. On the defense there is just Nelson and his assistant that only passed the bar a few months ago. And here we are.
Simply brilliant job by Nelson when you consider that
Posted on 4/14/21 at 1:31 pm to Rebel
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On the defense there is just Nelson and his assistant that only passed the bar a few months ago.
Not what I’ve heard, he has a whole team of lawyers but he’s the only one in court
Posted on 4/14/21 at 1:32 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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had no mercy. Jaywalking, a crumbled up roach, cracked windshield...they were ruthless.
the Fife Squad?
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