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re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today
Posted on 4/3/21 at 9:01 pm to AMS
Posted on 4/3/21 at 9:01 pm to AMS
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lmao theres a grand total of 0 pulseless people (the only situation you do CPR) in history that have ever been combative.
Right, and ems was there within a minute.
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Posted on 4/3/21 at 9:03 pm to AMS
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they had showed no regard for the apparent danger to GF's life
Wait, so now they forced the drugs down hos throat?
Posted on 4/3/21 at 9:06 pm to theenemy
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For a murder charge...they have to prove the knee caused the death, correct?
Not rendering aid can be used against him civilly and administratively...but ultimately they have to prove the knee is what killed him...rendering aid is kinda moot.
That's how I see it.
Posted on 4/3/21 at 9:12 pm to AMS
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yes. per minnesota statute officers who patrol in a motor vehicle are trained in first aid which includes CPR.
Ok, they are trained initially, but are they required to be recertified every 2 years.
Many agencies never re-certify their officers after the initial training in the academy.
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The fact they chose to forego and disallow aid knowing GF was pulseless
Ok but they did call for medical assistance and requested it be upgraded to code 3. And they did not disallow it...once paramedics arrived they allowed the paramedics access.
Again, I think what it boils down to is....did the knee cause the death. Regardless about the rendering aid...the case hinges on that.
This post was edited on 4/3/21 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 4/3/21 at 9:24 pm to theenemy
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Ok but they did call for medical assistance and requested it be upgraded to code 3. And they did not disallow it...once paramedics arrived they allowed the paramedics access.
Again, I think what it boils down to is....did the knee cause the death. Regardless about the rendering aid...the case hinges on that.
they disallowed a first responder who was practically begging to render aid during an event that required an upgrade to code 3. They may not have been required to allow her, but they made the choice to refuse her aid to a man they knew had no pulse.
the medical examiner determined the cause of death was a homicide as a complication due to subdual and restraint. its doubtful but the defense will need drastically new information.
This post was edited on 4/3/21 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 4/3/21 at 9:35 pm to AMS
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they disallowed a first responder who was practically begging to render aid during an event that required an upgrade to code 3. They may not have been required to allow her, but they made the choice to refuse her aid.
Again...she was not in uniform and had no identification identifying her as a first responder...at that time she was merely a bystander.
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the medical examiner determined the cause of death was a homicide as a complication due to subdual and restraint. its doubtful but the defense will need drastically new information.
The medical examiner determination is not a legal determination...it still has to be proven without reasonable doubt in court.
Posted on 4/3/21 at 9:35 pm to AMS
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they disallowed a first responder who was practically begging to render aid during an event that required an upgrade to code 3. They may not have been required to allow her, but they made the choice to refuse her aid.
if that woman was not in uniform and didn't have her ID on her as an EMT/FF... then no police officer anywhere is ever going to let that person get close to someone in custody
they don't know her personally and can't just take her word for it
at that point she's just a rabble rouser making noise in the crowd
so this whole point is moot
Posted on 4/3/21 at 9:46 pm to theenemy
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they disallowed a first responder who was practically begging to render aid during an event that required an upgrade to code 3. They may not have been required to allow her, but they made the choice to refuse her aid.
Again...she was not in uniform and had no identification identifying her as a first responder...at that time she was merely a bystander.
Is poster talking about the horrible & disrespectful witness the judge torched that was at the convenience store (or whatever it is) in civis and wanted to use CPR to get pulse back? I hadn’t been able to keep up past few days, but I was assuming there was someone else in official capacity and uniform turned down for even a poster like AMS to keep mentioning this.
This post was edited on 4/3/21 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 4/3/21 at 9:47 pm to dallastigers
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Is poster talking about the horrible & disrespectful witness the judge torched that was at the convenience store (or whatever it is) in civis and wanted to use CPR to get pulse back? I hadn’t been able to keep up past few days, but I was assuming there was someone else in official capacity and uniform turned down for even AMS to keep mentioning this.
No that is who he is talking about
Posted on 4/3/21 at 9:55 pm to theenemy
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Again...she was not in uniform and had no identification identifying her as a first responder...at that time she was merely a bystander.
being off duty just means she had no legal obligation to render aid. she identified herself as a first responder, but the cops chose to refuse first aid. It is a fact they refused first aid knowing GF had no pulse during an emergency that required upgrading codes.
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The medical examiner determination is not a legal determination...it still has to be proven without reasonable doubt in court.
never said it was the legal determination itself. but medical documents are legal documents and are heavily weighted in legal determinations. without any drastic new evidence contrary thats a deep dig out of that hole.
Posted on 4/3/21 at 10:01 pm to AMS
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she identified herself as a first responder, but the cops chose to refuse first aid.
Did you just use the "identify" rebuttal?
I identify as a billionaire but nobody takes me seriously. Just like a uniformed officer with a combative suspect would disregard any not wearing a badge/uniform.
You have to live in a basement somewhere. Lol.
Posted on 4/3/21 at 10:02 pm to kengel2
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nobody takes me seriously.
agreed.
Posted on 4/3/21 at 10:03 pm to AMS
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being off duty just means she had no legal obligation to render aid. she identified herself as a first responder, but the cops chose to refuse first aid. It is a fact they refused first aid knowing GF had no pulse during an emergency that required upgrading codes.
No....someone saying they are a first responder is not enough. Anyone could say they are a first responder and gain access to the suspect. Floyd's drug dealing friend could have claimed he was a first responder. She needed to be in uniform or have identification for the police to identify her as an actual first responder.
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but medical documents are legal documents and are heavily weighted in legal determinations. without any drastic new evidence contrary thats a deep dig out of that hole.
In criminal court,, the ME's determinations must be proven without reasonable doubt and it is the state's burden to prove that determination.
Posted on 4/3/21 at 10:10 pm to theenemy
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Floyd's drug dealing friend
According to AMS, those are pharmacists.
Posted on 4/3/21 at 10:21 pm to dallastigers
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Is poster talking about the horrible & disrespectful witness the judge torched that was at the convenience store (or whatever it is) in civis and wanted to use CPR to get pulse back?
At that point, she is an unknown entity. You cannot bring her to a subject that was combative minutes before. If he lunges out and bites one of her fingers off, where does the liability lie?
Posted on 4/3/21 at 10:29 pm to Hangit
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At that point, she is an unknown entity. You cannot bring her to a subject that was combative minutes before. If he lunges out and bites one of her fingers off, where does the liability lie?
If she proves to be a crazy person and does harm to the suspect...you are 100% liable for it.
Posted on 4/3/21 at 10:35 pm to SOSFAN
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Well that 1 Defense attorney is kicking the other 12 attorneys arse .
I've watched the whole trial and if this weeks witnesses are all the prosecution has they might as well end the trial now.
Nelson turned Floyds gf into a damn good witness...for the defense. Made the dwarf mma fighter look stupid ( and has his losing mma record introduced into the court record. Made the prosecutions top witness ( the guy that told everyone he was going to be Floyds voice) refuse to testify and said he would only take the 5th. And neutralized the cop by showing he was a desk cop. A good week for Chauvin.
And Trump won big, but Biden is in the White House. Justice will not be served because an innocent man will be spending the rest of his life in prison because the left wants and will get their pound of flesh.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:49 am to AMS
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Disregard for human life+unintentional homicide is the criteria for 2nd degree murder.
If we want better police (men /women), we need to ensure they have fair pay. We don't pay them enough right now. So, we get low-life creeps like Derek; and, then taxpayers have to pay 27 million dollars settlements.
We all need to stop supporting de-funding the police.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:56 am to Lobo Apple Sauce
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We all need to stop supporting de-funding the police.
Nah, police need to be disarmed as well.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:03 am to Lobo Apple Sauce
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We don't pay them enough right now
IMO opinion a very large percentage of police departments are simply not trained to deal with mental health and/or drug addiction. Putting your foot on someone's neck will not rehabilitate them.
That is at heart of defund the police. Could it be possible that we could you those dollars in a way that might actually benefit society?
Yes locking people up give us the warm and fuzzies and helps some sleep better at night. But at the end of the day are we a better society because of it?
Now I am not saying that defunding all police departments is the answer. But the way we "police" in certain areas of the country is simply not affective.
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