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re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case

Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:07 pm to
Posted by HodsonTiger13
Member since Jan 2023
737 posts
Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:07 pm to
Correct. Livingston.

I was looking at another jail list.

Here it is:

LINK



If the bond is $250,000, 12% of that is the fee to get him out. Even wit a bond company financing it, that's a lot and there's the possible third charge coming up. So he's staying there a while.



Posted by Beef Tips
Member since Jan 2013
2894 posts
Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:11 pm to
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Correct. Livingston.

I was looking at another jail list.

Here it is:

LINK



If the bond is $250,000, 12% of that is the fee to get him out. Even wit a bond company financing it, that's a lot and there's the possible third charge coming up. So he's staying there a while.


Congrats on reposting the info I just gave you as if its your own. Just imagine had you done a few seconds of research earlier before you started posted random untruths. You post lengthy bullshite with a tone of "authority" leading the casual reader on OT to believe what you are saying.

Especially as someone who has admitted to being a "journalist", you should be ashamed.

Go away.
This post was edited on 2/6/23 at 10:15 pm
Posted by clip11
Member since Feb 2023
205 posts
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:09 pm to
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The fact there’s so many videos floating around should be telling.


My question is this: if there's a video which totally exonerates the defendants like the defense is claiming, why is the prosecutor still proceeding with charges?
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:18 pm to
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We saw all this with the O.J. trial. This expert versus that expert and jury wasn't moved by that evidence.


Please stop saying this. It is absolutely idiotic.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:22 pm to
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The affidavit here (aside from the principal/principle typo) was well done.


The affidavit used a computer program provided by 365Labs. Don’t read too much into its style.

Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:25 pm to
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I would say nothing new / rehashing, though Judge Holden raised a point about the two in the front seat being charged as 'principals" was unusual.


That’s not at all what I said.

Posted by HodsonTiger13
Member since Jan 2023
737 posts
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:31 pm to

You said if "all they did" was ride in the vehicle and sit there as the rapes took place it'd be unusual they'd be charged as principals as they must have done something more?

If it's not what you said, what did you say?

What does it take for the two in the front seat to be "principals"?





Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:31 pm to
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14:24.


Lemme get this straight. I posted the statute when the principal (“principle”) issue came up early on. I wrote an exam answer on it decades ago for the professor who was the expert on what it meant. It was my second law school final.

But now you post it like it’s new info and try to explain it to me?

Unless you are the ghost of Cheney Joseph typing from beyond the grave, FO.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:33 pm to
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If it's not what you said, what did you say?


Go read it again.

Who are you? What’s your angle here? Your behavior and posting style are very “unusual.”
Posted by HodsonTiger13
Member since Jan 2023
737 posts
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:38 pm to

Same "angle" you have. Killing time on a message board.

Hoping for justice but won't get it in this life.



Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34928 posts
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:41 pm to
This has gotten real strange

I think y’all could use a brief timeout to take a breath
This post was edited on 2/6/23 at 11:46 pm
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34928 posts
Posted on 2/7/23 at 6:40 am to
Amen
Posted by clip11
Member since Feb 2023
205 posts
Posted on 2/7/23 at 7:21 am to
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What he meant was this would have been an unreported date rape. She would have sobered up. She had no idea the names or identities of the rapists.


The coroner documented anal injuries on her. I'm guessing, had she lived and sobered up, she likely would have had some pain and soreness down there. She perhaps would have went to a doctor to find out why and after examining her, it would be obvious why.

Since she was so drunk, her memory may have been spotty and she may have remembered leaving with a few guys and then put 2 and 2 together and then she figures out what happened.

She may not have bothered reporting it out of embarrassment and she likely wouldn't want her parents and grandparents to find out she went to a bar, got wasted and ended up in a car with 4 guys she just met.

But yeah, ironically, had she lived, these guys would be in the clear.

Washington and the 17 year old would be bragging about how they met a drunk white girl at the bar and ran a train on her in the backseat and have fond memories of it.

I hope her death wasn't in vain and they both get convicted.
Posted by clip11
Member since Feb 2023
205 posts
Posted on 2/7/23 at 8:01 am to
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Older straight people are likely to think no one would consent to that.


To me, it's the manner that it was done. Backseat of a car. No prep. Likely no protection. In front of an audience. Hardly knew the guys she had sex with or the guys watching.

This wasn't like she went out drinking with her boyfriend and then they later had anal sex at his apartment.
Posted by clip11
Member since Feb 2023
205 posts
Posted on 2/7/23 at 8:17 am to
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I'd imagine the prosecutors want the youngest, whitest, most female jury


I don't know. Young white women tend to be very liberal and may look at guys like Kaivon and the 17 year old as victims of white supremacy and an unfair justice system. In fact, the girl in question in this situation, Madison, I can almost guarantee what her political views were. She likely was very left leaning on every political issue.

The should get some middle aged white dads and uncles who have Young adult daughters and nieces on the jury. I know that they won't be able to make that demographic 100 percent of the jury, but they ought to get some on there.

Posted by clip11
Member since Feb 2023
205 posts
Posted on 2/7/23 at 8:43 am to
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Some science and personal experience have shown that white females are more critical of their peers than any other group


I don't know that even in this case, it would be a good idea to have a jury made up of Young white women. If you took white girls of Madisons demographic, say, well to do middle class 19-29 year old white women, most of them would be very liberal and consider being "racist" one of the worst things imaginable. Maybe THE worst thing imaginable.

It's very likely that they would end up taking the side of Kaivon and company, just seeing them as underprivileged youths who are actually good people at heart but just driven to crime by racism. And to prove they aren't racist, vote for a hung jury or worse, an acquittal.
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
19629 posts
Posted on 2/7/23 at 8:45 am to
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If you took white girls of Madisons demographic, say, well to do middle class 19-29 year old white women, most of them would be very liberal


In Louisiana? Doubt it
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
97590 posts
Posted on 2/7/23 at 9:20 am to
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I would say nothing new / rehashing, though Judge Holden raised a point about the two in the front seat being charged as 'principals" was unusual.




Do you think a guy who drove bank robbers to rob a bank wouldn't get charged b/c he didn't rob the bank? You're smarter than this brah.

Ol boy is getting his. Just watch.
Posted by Buddy Red
Maringouin, LA
Member since Aug 2007
282 posts
Posted on 2/7/23 at 9:30 am to
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I'd imagine the prosecutors want the youngest, whitest, most female jury


White / Male / Over 55. That is your ideal juror in this case. Clip is right, white females can be left leaning and are very critical of white females in age range. Particularly in sex crime cases.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 2/7/23 at 9:32 am to
My prediction for your jury pool:

Seven women
Five men

None under 28 or over 70.

Half are African American, and the other half white.

Most jurors will be middle class.

3 will have college degrees.
4 will have some college or votech training.
Balance will have high school or GED.

7 will have full time jobs. 1 will be retired. 1 will work for the State.

That's my guess. We will see.
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