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re: Defeat the Nurse Practitioner scope of practice expansion - Louisiana SB 187

Posted on 5/17/16 at 3:49 pm to
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
23283 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 3:49 pm to
Nice research G Vice.....remember that one time a doc fricked a pie and then did surgery without washing his hands? M
Posted by G Vice
Lafayette, LA
Member since Dec 2006
13166 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 3:50 pm to
Of course not.
Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 3:50 pm to
Sometimes a diagnosis is made based on the clinical picture. Sometimes life and death decision making should err on the side of reason and experience.
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
23283 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 3:52 pm to
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Sometimes a diagnosis is made based on the clinical picture. Sometimes life and death decision making should err on the side of reason and experience


Nobody is denying that but sometimes people just have abscesses on their arse or URIs
Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 3:53 pm to
Ok so let all the third year med students loose. That's not an idea I would advocate for and none of them would either because they know their own limitations thankfully
Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 3:53 pm to
I watched a butt abscess kill a guy during medical school
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
23283 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 3:55 pm to
I'm sure he was an advocate of a healthy lifestyle and was in picture perfect health.

I once saw a tuna can up a dudes arse in CRNA school.
Posted by Steve Lurkel
Member since Feb 2015
174 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 3:55 pm to
That still doesn't answer any question I asked.

If the MD lobby is going to win, I'd hope y'all would have #s justifying your stance.
Posted by MrSpock
Member since Sep 2015
5126 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 3:57 pm to
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I once saw a tuna can up a dudes arse in CRNA school.


Pfft...Wake me up when you see a Bush's Baked Beans Can.
Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 3:58 pm to
Test scores
Posted by Womski
Squire Creek
Member since Aug 2011
2762 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 3:58 pm to
I've just spent an entire career of watching doctors fall back on the "it's called practicing medicine for a reason" mantra to absolve themselves of all liability when they cut the wrong organ, take out the wrong eye, or show up to surgery drunk.

If nurses can make an argument that they are better, or at least just as good, then they have my vote to expand the market and let capitalism take effect.
Posted by G Vice
Lafayette, LA
Member since Dec 2006
13166 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 3:58 pm to
There's bad behavior in all professions. I have a high opinion of NPs, but that story was true. Not naming names, and I'm sure that story could be found on the web. Just like disciplinary actions against MDs and other professionals can be found.
Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 4:03 pm to
How many clinical hours would these nps have?
Posted by G Vice
Lafayette, LA
Member since Dec 2006
13166 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 4:06 pm to
Don't know. That's a question for the nurses in here.
Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 4:11 pm to
I think articles about the bill have mentioned like 200-2000 hours at different times. That's gotta be like < 1/5 of MD training if you're using the 2000 #. That may be a conservative estimate - it could be an even bigger gap I'm just totally guessing here
Posted by Steve Lurkel
Member since Feb 2015
174 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 4:14 pm to
And those are?

Seeing that your only posting involves medical legislation, those should be ready for you to produce.
Posted by guttata
prairieville
Member since Feb 2006
22654 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 4:15 pm to
My wife has been in practice 13 yrs. I guess that comes out to at least 22,000 clinical hours. Would that be enough? By the way, she has no desire to open her own clinic.
This post was edited on 5/17/16 at 4:19 pm
Posted by LATigerdoc
Oakdale, Louisiana
Member since May 2014
933 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 4:19 pm to
Avg gpa to get in med school is at least a 3.7 I think
Posted by Carolina_Girl
South Cackalacky
Member since Apr 2012
23973 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 4:20 pm to
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Right we are totally for RNs and nursing care of patients


Ha..I bet you are. I've met a handful of doctors over a 25 yr ER/Trauma nursing career who didn't seem to think they were too good to do what we do in the trenches.

And for the record, no, I do not think that NPs, PAs or CRNAs should practice autonomously.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 4:21 pm to
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Yes that's exactly what it means. And, I'm sure we'll see NP clinics pop up in the underserved neighborhoods of Lakeview and the Garden District in New Orleans.


If physicians are unwilling to work in these areas why would having NPs there be a problem? As someone else said isn't some type healthcare better than no healthcare?
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