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re: Deadly climbing season in the Himalayas
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:16 am to tiggerthetooth
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:16 am to tiggerthetooth
“You may think I'm ignorant of climbing, but I think you're ignorant of what ultimately matters.”
As obtuse said earlier and I sort’ve touched on not everyone is wired like mountaineers. That’s fine. As for me being ignorant of what really matters...fricking laughable. I’m married with two boys and my youngest loves mountains just as much as I do. Climbing, hiking, skiing, etc. He’s already doing class twos with me and should be ready for a class three next year.
Is spending time with my son doing things we love not ultimately matter?
I use my previous trips as stories to the special needs children I volunteer with weekly to show them places they will probably never see or will inspire them. Does that ultimately matter?
Your doctor analogy was also quite trite.
As obtuse said earlier and I sort’ve touched on not everyone is wired like mountaineers. That’s fine. As for me being ignorant of what really matters...fricking laughable. I’m married with two boys and my youngest loves mountains just as much as I do. Climbing, hiking, skiing, etc. He’s already doing class twos with me and should be ready for a class three next year.
Is spending time with my son doing things we love not ultimately matter?
I use my previous trips as stories to the special needs children I volunteer with weekly to show them places they will probably never see or will inspire them. Does that ultimately matter?
Your doctor analogy was also quite trite.
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Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:22 am to el Gaucho
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Everest is no big deal. Most of y’all are just too poor to do it. I grabbed this sweet vintage ski coat off a dude when I was going up
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:46 am to TnMountaineer
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I’m in the middle of finishing Colorado’s 14ers. I’ve got ten left. Hoping to do Whitney in California next year.
Head to the PAC NW and AK. You can walk up Whitney some other time.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:55 am to LSUintheNW
I love the PacNW. Did Rainier and St Helens two years ago along with a few walk ups in Oregon. Wanting to get Baker in at some point. There’s a few peaks in Olympic that I want to cross off. I absolutely love it up there.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:09 am to TnMountaineer
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As obtuse said earlier and I sort’ve touched on not everyone is wired like mountaineers. That’s fine. As for me being ignorant of what really matters...fricking laughable. I’m married with two boys and my youngest loves mountains just as much as I do. Climbing, hiking, skiing, etc. He’s already doing class twos with me and should be ready for
a class three next year
I think you're confused. At no point did I condemn the general recreational choice mountain climbing. Im merely talking about these high risk climbs like Everest.
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Is spending time with my son doing things we love not ultimately matter?
Of course it does, which is why going at a high risk climb for your own personal fulfillment is dumb.
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I use my previous trips as stories to the special needs children I volunteer with weekly to show them places they will probably never see or will inspire them. Does that ultimately matter?
Are you telling them a worthwhile life choice is risking their life to climb Everest? Would be odd and dangerous to tell special needs children such a thing. Aside from that, are your climbing stories the only form of inspiration?
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Your doctor analogy was also quite trite.
Not an analogy bud, it really happened.
LINK
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Yearwood was a physician at Georgiana Medical Center in Butler County. He completed hospital training in London and New York City before moving to south Alabama 20 years ago, the hospital's website showed. He was married to another local physician, Amrita, and was a father of two daughters. The website biography showed Yearwood was attempting to climb the tallest summit on the seven continents.
Are you telling me it was worth it for this man to leave his family behind like that?
Just looking for another high. He wasn't worried about his duties as a husband, father, or physician who treated sick people. It was about his own ego. Plain and simple. He also almost died the first time he went and went back anyways.
Stop acting like this is about the entirety of mountain climbing. Everest is a totally different animal and you know it, or you should.
This post was edited on 5/20/19 at 11:12 am
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:10 am to TnMountaineer
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Wanting to get Baker in at some point.
Baker is bad arse. Make sure and enjoy some brews in Bellingham along the way. Cute little town.
What walkups in Oregon did you do?
My favorite one is Broken Top. It has the best view of the mountains I've summited. I've got 13 of 20 Pac NW majors.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:14 am to Dick Leverage
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Highest I have climbed is Humphries Peak in Arizona at 12,600 or somewhere thereabouts.
Kudos, sir. I've driven by Humphries peak and I can't imagine climbing that monster.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:17 am to Spasweezy
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There are a few guys attempting a new route this year on Everest. Should make for an interesting follow.
I've been following them on instagram throughout all the prep. They should be starting soon.
Link because I'm not a monster
This post was edited on 5/20/19 at 11:18 am
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:33 am to LordSaintly
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Kudos, sir. I've driven by Humphries peak and I can't imagine climbing that monster.
Not trying to take anything away from their accomplishment but people confuse height of mountains to equal how hard it is.
A quick Google search shows you ascend 3400'. Nothing wrong with that. Just going to point out that there are much more grueling climbs on much smaller mountains.
For instance, Mt. St. Helens. Damn thing had its top blown off and it's shortest route is 5 miles and 4500' of gain. Height is 8365. Eta....only need snowshoes or crampons and it isn't dangerous. Just a long grueling walk but it's tougher than a lot of mountains almost twice its size.
The whole state of CO is another. People are impressed by all the 14'ers but there are just as many prominent mountains in OR and WA. CO has little prominence. You walk 1 ridge and bag multiple summits in a day without it being a marathon.
There's a reason people move to to WA or to AK to become the best climber they can be before gearing up for the big time.
This post was edited on 5/20/19 at 11:37 am
Posted on 5/20/19 at 11:45 am to LSUintheNW
Yet to do Broken Top. Hoping to get out there again asap.
So far in Oregon:
Mount McLoughlin
Mount Bachelor
Mount Scott
Mount Bailey
Garfield Peak
Union Peak
Tipsoo Peak
South Sister
So far in Oregon:
Mount McLoughlin
Mount Bachelor
Mount Scott
Mount Bailey
Garfield Peak
Union Peak
Tipsoo Peak
South Sister
Posted on 5/20/19 at 12:01 pm to TnMountaineer
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Yet to do Broken Top. Hoping to get out there again asap.
Beware, as of next year there will be a permit system. Eta...do it, best view in the cascades. Can fit 12 people up there so take your time and enjoy lunch.
Middle Sister from the west side is cool. Awesome hike to camp through volcanic rock, trees, etc. Permit system as well but an easy one, most come from the east. Camp at arrowhead lake. Awesome scenery, lake is next to a cliff.
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Mount Scott
Mount Bailey
Garfield Peak
Union Peak
Tipsoo Peak
Haven't done any of those. I was focused on the majors but I know a guy on a mission to summit every mountain over 5k in Oregon and there's a lot of them.
I walked to the summit of Bachelor during ski season. Top lift is close
Jefferson is the only true alpine experience mountain Oregon has. Minimum 2 day trip depending upon speed. It's the only major I need in oregon. Was at red saddle 200' from the summit but couldn't traverse the dangerous snow field due to soft snow and using pickets/anchors is a must there.
This post was edited on 5/20/19 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 5/20/19 at 12:29 pm to LSUintheNW
Damn! I did not know that. So glad you said something. Just googled it. As much as I hate to say it I think the permits are needed.
Trying to get out there next year at least for an extended weekend. Hoping for Hood. The only issue is time and getting away from Colorado. So many 13ers to check off. I was coming to Oregon this year but I decided to do New Hampshire and Quebec instead.
Trying to get out there next year at least for an extended weekend. Hoping for Hood. The only issue is time and getting away from Colorado. So many 13ers to check off. I was coming to Oregon this year but I decided to do New Hampshire and Quebec instead.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 12:39 pm to Obtuse1
curious from those of you here who have summitted Everest, did you take the North Col or South Col route?
Posted on 5/20/19 at 1:00 pm to TnMountaineer
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As much as I hate to say it I think the permits are needed.
Depends on the area imo. That whole area will be a permit system but the whole area isn't as busy as some. The green lakes trailhead is the worst and is the biggest reason for this. Damn runners.
Residents of Bend fricked this up for everyone.
Runners all come out and use half the spaces up and keeps the trails busier than need be.
Now, they all have to go run somewhere else and it served them right.
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Damn! I did not know that. So glad you said something. Just googled it.
Just came about a few months ago as a possibility. It's a go next year. Sad. I love that area.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 1:01 pm to bullittmcqueen
My group took the South Col route. We went through a laundry list of pros and cons prior to settling on the Nepal side for two main reasons, at the time there was less bureaucratic red tape for a South Col party and mainly because if the weather allows the Lamas to fly you can get emergency helo evacs up to 21,000 ft (Camp 2) where you don't have that option on the Tibet side and have to get down to base camp where they can drive in and out.
Today one would have to factor in the added danger of the increased crowds on the South Col route. I consider the overall danger higher for both now than when I climbed.
Today one would have to factor in the added danger of the increased crowds on the South Col route. I consider the overall danger higher for both now than when I climbed.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 3:38 pm to Obtuse1
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the ladder crossing in crampons over 200'+ crevasses should do the trick.
Yeah that's the part that's always seemed awful to me.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 6:51 pm to Jim Rockford
Another death
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On May 22, one of the best weather windows of the season so far opened up on Everest, and more than 200 climbers made their push for the summit of the world’s highest peak. One of the climbers angling for the top of the 29,029-foot mountain was American Don Cash, who was climbing with Nepali-owned outfitter Pioneer Adventures. After more than 12 hours, Cash summitted along with the two Sherpas who were guiding him.
On the descent, though, something went wrong and Cash lost consciousness. The two Sherpas quickly performed CPR and were able to revive the 55-year-old and move him down to the Hillary Step, the iconic rock feature 200 feet below the summit. After the 2015 earthquake shifted rocks on the mountain, the Hillary Step is no longer as technically challenging as it once was. But it’s still a steep snow slope that can create bottlenecks, especially when there are hundreds of people all pushing for the summit at once. When Cash and his Sherpa guides got to the Hillary Step they were forced to wait their turn for at least two hours. During the wait, Cash passed out again and took his final breaths. The cause of death is currently unknown.
This is the third death on Everest this season. A climber from India, Ravi Thakar, died after summiting while at the South Col and Seamus Sean Lawless, of Ireland, disappeared after his summit and is presumed dead from a fall between the Balcony and South Col. There have been 12 deaths across the 8,000-meters mountains during this spring’s climbing period.
Posted on 5/23/19 at 6:28 am to LordSaintly
It’s only about 3200 ft of elevation gain from the trailhead at Snow bowl. It’s not hard if you are in decent shape.
Posted on 5/23/19 at 2:55 pm to Jim Rockford
This is not photoshopped
Posted on 5/23/19 at 3:31 pm to Jim Rockford
That picture is why you couldn't pay me to do Everest again, at least via the North or South Col routes. Over the years it got safer and safer now it is getting ridiculously dangerous. Especially when at least 50% of those bodies have no business being on an 8000m peak. Plus you get none of the quintessential alpine experience, that is waiting in line to ride the Expedition Everest ride at Disney. Imagine waiting in that line while your body is literally dying and your brain starts to function like you just dropped a tab of Woodstock "brown acid".
If someone wants to climb Everest today I would suggest another 8000M peak instead or just climb Ranier while breathing through a straw while wearing shorts and a T-shirt, it amounts to about the same thing physically.
If someone wants to climb Everest today I would suggest another 8000M peak instead or just climb Ranier while breathing through a straw while wearing shorts and a T-shirt, it amounts to about the same thing physically.
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