re: Dayton, OH bar mass shooting - 10 dead, 27 wounded

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These publicized mass shootings are caused predominately by middle class and upper middle class peopl

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i dont know if that is true, and even if someone was raised middle class, but moves out at 20/21 and lives poor, what does that make you? i mean, i moved out of the middle class and was poor as shite through college and certainly didnt have health care or see a doctor for like 10 years. and i dont think my experience is that uncommon.

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And mental institutions across this country were shut down because they were so terribly managed...by the government.

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ok? no one is advocating for re-opening nut houses, just let people go see doctor every once in a while and get some pills.

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I think the admins of this site and others have a moral obligation to start taking down messages that perpetuate hate and conspiracies.

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They did remove a post in this thread that called for the shooting of an entire group based on their political beliefs.

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just let people go see doctor every once in a while

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Can you link me to where these "mass shooters" lack access to mental health facilities?

You really seem to be pushing a lot of hate towards CC, why? Do you really expect a CC citizen with a 9mm to go toe to toe with an AK47?

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God damn the current state of our country is so fricked up right now. I don't even wanna have kids so they don't have to live in this psychotic world and it's only going to progressively get worse. Not sure if itd be better to ban guns altogether or requiring every single person carry at all times. I don't know the solution but drastic changes are mandatory at this point. frick.

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You do know that we are living in the most peaceful time ever in history and violent crime rates fall more and more each year?

Ther 24 hours news cycle just harps on what crimes do happen that it changes our perceptions.

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Violent crime in the U.S. has fallen sharply over the past quarter century. The two most commonly cited sources of crime statistics in the U.S. both show a substantial decline in the violent crime rate since it peaked in the early 1990s. One is an annual report by the FBI of serious crimes reported to police in approximately 18,000 jurisdictions around the country. The other is an annual survey of more than 90,000 households conducted by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, which asks Americans ages 12 and older whether they were victims of crime, regardless of whether they reported those crimes to the police.

Using the FBI numbers, the violent crime rate fell 49% between 1993 and 2017. Using the BJS data, the rate fell 74% during that span. (For both studies, 2017 is the most recent full year of data.) The long-term decline in violent crime hasn’t been uninterrupted, though. The FBI, for instance, reported increases in the violent crime rate between 2004 and 2006 and again between 2014 and 2016.

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Public perceptions about crime in the U.S. often don’t align with the data. Opinion surveys regularly find that Americans believe crime is up nationally, even when the data show it is down. In 18 of 22 Gallup surveys since 1993 that have asked about national crime, at least six-in-ten Americans said there was more crime in the U.S. compared with the year before, despite the generally downward trend in national violent and property crime rates during most of that period.

Pew Research Center surveys have found a similar pattern. In a survey in late 2016, 57% of registered voters said crime in the U.S. had gotten worse since 2008, even though FBI and BJS data show that violent and property crime rates declined by double-digit percentages during that span.

While perceptions of rising crime at the national level are common, fewer Americans tend to say crime is up when asked about the local level. In all 21 Gallup surveys that have included the question since 1996, no more than about half of Americans have said crime is up in their area compared with the year before.

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Break that down even further and the majority of those crimes are in wonderful Democratic utopias like Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, NOLA, etc

Mass shootings are very sad when they happen, but it spurs people into thinking that all crime is up when that couldn't be further from the truth.

The one crime that has risen is mass shootings, though.

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you remember seeing a lot of ARs and high capacity mags in your Westerns?

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I remember seeing weapons in westerns that fall under the 1934 National Firearms Act like short barrelled shotguns and in one of my favorites " For a few dollars more," Lee van Cleef attached a buttock to his revolver.

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The root of the problem is the ease with which any person in America can buy military-grade weapons

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The Colt AR15 started civilian sales in 1965 the same decade a bolt action rifle was used to kill 18, wound 31 in a Texas school. Same decade a president and civil rights leader was killed with a bolt action rifle.

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I know of one party that would like to help limit the availability of guns to potential lunatics, and that same party is trying to make healthcare easy and affordable so that more people get the help they need.

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That same party has supported every gun ban including the handgun ban in Chicago and DC. The same party that managed to take runaway healthcare cost and bend it upward.


Everytime there's a shooting we see the same thing over and over again. One side can't wait to want to impose more restrictions without having a clue about current laws and the other has to defend their rights.

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Military grade has a specific meaning.

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and specific loopholes that are easily exploited.

look, im obviously not a gun guy. dont care to be. but i see this same argument happen in everyone of these threads.

fine, if an AR15 isnt military grade, im wrong then. i would honestly like to know the difference, cause it looks the same, and seems to be just as effective as what i would expect.

id be fine with dropping military-grade term and use another qualifier, but someone who knows guns would have to know what that is. buts that not really the main issue, is it?

again, its still pedantic when everyone knows exactly what im talking about.

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The root of the problem is the ease with which any person in America can buy military-grade weapons

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You lost all credibility right there.

No one is buying true military-grade weapons easily and the military isn't out there betting their lives on come cheap AR from Academy.

You are the kind of idiot that thinks because it looks tactical that it must be more powerful than a standard hunting rifle. I will help you out...it isn't.

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fine, if an AR15 isnt military grade, im wrong then. i would honestly like to know the difference, cause it looks the same,

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Could have led with that instead of the chickenshit name calling.