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re: David Koresh Netflix
Posted on 12/22/20 at 3:33 pm to GardenDistrictTiger
Posted on 12/22/20 at 3:33 pm to GardenDistrictTiger
It was great! Well worth a watch.
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Posted on 12/22/20 at 3:35 pm to GardenDistrictTiger
I was in high school when this happened. I didn't really pay attention, but I remember the media painting the scenario as the just government saving people from a cult leader. It wasn't until years later that I read up on it and realized that the government straight up murdered people as a type of publicity stunt.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 3:37 pm to fleurdelis
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Even if the ATF screwed up, it doesn’t excuse the fact that the guy was an abuser and a pedophile.
Even if he was an abuser and a pedophile, it doesn't change the fact that Janet Reno and the ATF murdered 30 innocent children.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 3:42 pm to GardenDistrictTiger
The 90s were a ROUGH fricking time for the Feds. The Clinton admin should take far far more heat than they did.
Ruby Ridge (I realize this was under Bush)
Waco
Richard Jewell
Among many others. Rough decade
Ruby Ridge (I realize this was under Bush)
Waco
Richard Jewell
Among many others. Rough decade
Posted on 12/22/20 at 3:45 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Just finished it today. Would absolutely agree. Ridiculous dramatization.
We just watched the Netflix Manhunt series on Richard Jewell/Eric Rudolph and is over the top ridiculously inaccurate and overly dramatized.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 3:52 pm to Wolfhound45
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Just finished it today. Would absolutely agree. Ridiculous dramatization.
The thing that stood out to me the most was (spoiler) the scene where he killed the two brothers. Where did that shite come from?
Posted on 12/22/20 at 3:56 pm to DaleGribble
SPOILERS for Manhunt Deadly Games/Richard Jewell show
No where. As far as I can tell completely made up. Most of the stuff with Rudolph was completely made up. There's no evidence he had active help from militia groups, militia groups definitely did not team up with the fricking feds to my knowledge, and the Richard Jewell stuff only went on for 88 days while Rudolph was on the run for like 5 years.
No where. As far as I can tell completely made up. Most of the stuff with Rudolph was completely made up. There's no evidence he had active help from militia groups, militia groups definitely did not team up with the fricking feds to my knowledge, and the Richard Jewell stuff only went on for 88 days while Rudolph was on the run for like 5 years.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 3:56 pm to GardenDistrictTiger
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This should have led to a call to arms.
Some did, thats why we had the okc bombing. I understand the call to arms but blowing up a building that has federal employees and children in it isn't the solution.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 3:56 pm to GardenDistrictTiger
The ATF under Clinton was one of the most iron fisted, out of control, draconian organizations in the history of this country.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 4:00 pm to Fun Bunch
Sad that it’s taken this long for conservatives to stop simping so hard for law enforcement
Posted on 12/22/20 at 4:12 pm to GardenDistrictTiger
The whole thing would have been a comedy of errors if the outcome hadn't been so tragic. Koresh went jogging every day along the highway and went into town periodically. They could have picked him up any time but the ATF wanted a big media event they could show Congress at budget time. Then the FBI got involved. Their profilers had pegged Koresh as a fraud and conman and the strategy was to make life in the compound unpleasant enough for him to give up. Unfortunately Koresh really did believe all the bullshite he was preaching and wasn't going to quit.
The FBI HRT was still relatively new and had recruited a lot of former Specops guys directly into the team without their putting in time as regular agents first, so there was a military rather than a LEO mindset.
It all snowballed into a perfect storm and once it spun up neither side was willing or able to de escalate. Afterward, no one was willing to take responsibility and doubled down that they did the right thing, even thought it obviously was a monumental frickup.
The FBI HRT was still relatively new and had recruited a lot of former Specops guys directly into the team without their putting in time as regular agents first, so there was a military rather than a LEO mindset.
It all snowballed into a perfect storm and once it spun up neither side was willing or able to de escalate. Afterward, no one was willing to take responsibility and doubled down that they did the right thing, even thought it obviously was a monumental frickup.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 4:18 pm to Jim Rockford
Koresh was a pos pedophile and the blood of those dead is his.
The govt could have acted better but ultimately lies with koresh
The govt could have acted better but ultimately lies with koresh
Posted on 12/22/20 at 4:23 pm to bushwacker
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Koresh was a pos pedophile and the blood of those dead is his.
The govt could have acted better but ultimately lies with koresh
Then why did they not charge him with sex crimes instead of bogus federal weapons charges. You tow the government/law enforcement lies.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 4:28 pm to fallguy_1978
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fricking Janet Reno had a lot to do with it.
Wait, Korseh fricked Janet Reno??!? I fricking knew it! What a perv.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 4:29 pm to eScott
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Killing 26 kids is a little more than a screw up.
Don't we need to know the context?
Signed
The moral equivalency lovers.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 4:33 pm to fleurdelis
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Even if the ATF screwed up, it doesn’t excuse the fact that the guy was an abuser and a pedophile.
The feds had plenty of chances to arrest him alone, and chose to make an armed attack on the premises with women and children in the compound.
Ruby Ridge
Waco
Elian Gonzales..
Fed law enforcement received a terrible black eye during this administration.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 4:35 pm to upgrayedd
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The ATF under Clinton was one of the most iron fisted, out of control, draconian organizations in the history of this country.
The Clinton administration was also responsible for the 1994 crime bill (Biden was one of the sponsors) that resulted in mass incarceration.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 4:52 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:And that is why they created all of the unnecessary drama. There was no local support for Rudolph, no Regulators (or confrontations with the FBI), no murder of two brothers, no supply caches established throughout the area (he was rummaging in a dumpster when captured).
Rudolph was on the run for like 5 years.
Posted on 12/22/20 at 4:55 pm to The Boat
quote:The American Conservative - William Barr’s Connection To Ruby Ridge, Defending FBI Snipers
Ruby Ridge was worse
Posted on 12/22/20 at 5:06 pm to GardenDistrictTiger
quote:
s this a true account of what happened?
Yes. The Clinton DOJ was run like the gestapo. They were extremely heavy handed in everything they did. The ATF tried to make it into a dog and pony show and got their asses handed to them when they tried to raid the compound. Then, Janet Reno herself micro managed a military operation of which she has absolutely no knowledge and had a bunch of innocent people burned to death.
Nobody was ever held accountable.
The Oklahoma City bombing was in retaliation.
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