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re: Data on Underlying Conditions in Louisiana (COVID-19 Deaths)
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:45 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:45 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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Did that site just autoplay Coach O?
Yes they did. Wha does it say about us that we won’t listen to doctors, mayors, or the governor but we will listen to the flagship university’s head football coach?
A take I think gets over looked is that the HC is the only one of those mentioned (minus doctors) who have accomplished anything.
Also, if LSU hadn’t just won the NC, would they still be using him?
This post was edited on 4/7/20 at 9:46 am
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:45 am to Joshjrn
so pretty much fat and unhealthy people. whats new
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:48 am to baldona
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Half? Disagree there considering 35% of Louisiana is obese and this board is mostly college graduates so its likely on average the board is skinnier then society as a whole.
this
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:48 am to baldona
Uncontrolled means your blood sugar are butt-fricking crazy. elevated consistently with no control over them.
Controlled means you are consistently keeping your blood sugars down to some extent, through medicines, diet, and exercise.
It's tracked with an A1C, which tracks average control of blood sugar over months.
Poor control is associated with high blood sugars, which prevent your immune system from working well. (specifically, high blood sugar results in elevated dicarbonyls, which bind to and frick up infection fighting defensin peptides).
Diabetes also destroys small blood vessels, preventing blood flow to infected areas. You need good blood flow to deliver your infection fighting cells to the infected areas.
Controlled means you are consistently keeping your blood sugars down to some extent, through medicines, diet, and exercise.
It's tracked with an A1C, which tracks average control of blood sugar over months.
Poor control is associated with high blood sugars, which prevent your immune system from working well. (specifically, high blood sugar results in elevated dicarbonyls, which bind to and frick up infection fighting defensin peptides).
Diabetes also destroys small blood vessels, preventing blood flow to infected areas. You need good blood flow to deliver your infection fighting cells to the infected areas.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:51 am to Joshjrn
what if your hypertension is under control due to the meds that youre taking? still at risk?
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:52 am to ashy larry
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I'm not sure if that is correct. IF it is, it may be less of a factor than thought bc only 25% of the deaths are obese.
There are different levels of obesity, moderately obese may be just more than a few pounds over weight but morbidly obese kills,
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:53 am to oldcharlie8
Early on it was suspected the ace inhibitors were causing issues. Whether it was due to some enzyme or other issue I never heard more about it.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:53 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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People hear from their PCP that they are prediabetic or their cholesterol is high. Doc tells them they should change their diet, but instead of that they opt for pills to lower their cholesterol,
What if one of those people tried the dieting method (eating leaves, roots, berries, bark, twigs) and their cholesterol did improve (about 20 points) but was still way too high (yes even the bad)?
Would that person then have your blessing to take a very low dose of medicine to lower their obviously inherited high cholesterol condition?
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:58 am to LSUtwolves
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Uncontrolled means your blood sugar are butt-fricking crazy. elevated consistently with no control over them.
Controlled means you are consistently keeping your blood sugars down to some extent, through medicines, diet, and exercise.
Basically what I figured, basically if you eat whatever, don't exercise, and are just generally gross then surprise surprise this disease really effects you.
Guess what, those same people are likely the same ones not heading to government recommendations such as not smoking, social distancing, etc.
People act like those of us that moderately take care of ourselves, work for a living, and otherwise try and live a normal healthy life should bend over backwards for the people that don't take care of themselves at all. Sorry, not sorry.
This post was edited on 4/7/20 at 9:59 am
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:07 am to Antonio Moss
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uncontrolled Type II Diabetes is a huge indicator in critical cases.
this and morbid obesity
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:18 am to shiftworker
quote:The "but instead" portion of my quote should lead you to believe that the people I am referring to chose not to change their diet.
Would that person then have your blessing to take a very low dose of medicine to lower their obviously inherited high cholesterol condition?
If a doc is telling you to change your diet due to high cholesterol, it is because you are morbidly obese or have been obese for too long.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:29 am to baldona
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Given that, I would bet most of the deaths are people with BMI's over 35 or 40
Straight from the head of one of the local ERs:
At 35 BMI, your risk goes up
At 40 BMI, your risk skyrockets
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:32 am to LSUtwolves
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The same people on here screaming to return to normal and let nature take its course are likely fat with undiagnosed HTN.
Youre getting hate but goddamn if you arent right.
The issue with letting everything go back to normal, particularly in Louisiana, is that the people yelling for it are medically obese and think they just "have a few extra pounds, but I'm healthy otherwise."
No. Youre not. Im speaking for myself as well. My BMI is right at 30. Im working like hell to lose weight during all of this. There's a good reason the death rate in Louisiana is so high. Its because of our goddamn relaxed attitude about our health. Its because we think its normal to smother every single dish we eat and have 3 sides, a beer or two, and cake and ice cream for dessert. We think that we can cover up our lack of impulse control by saying stupid sayings like "I'm here for a good time not a long time." Its fricking embarrassing and its about to get a lot of people killed.
But sure, open everything back up. Lets have overloaded ICUs full of overweight 30, 40, and 50 year old men who thought theyd be fine because they havent been to a doctor for a check up in 3 years.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:38 am to Odysseus32
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The issue with letting everything go back to normal, particularly in Louisiana, is that the people yelling for it are medically obese and think they just "have a few extra pounds, but I'm healthy otherwise."
No. Youre not.
While BMI is *far* from a perfect indicator of health (especially for those who actively train/lift), I imagine that most people would be fricking shocked to find out that the "healthy" band for someone who is 5'9" is between 130lbs and 160lbs.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:44 am to Joshjrn
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While BMI is *far* from a perfect indicator of health (especially for those who actively train/lift), I imagine that most people would be fricking shocked to find out that the "healthy" band for someone who is 5'9" is between 130lbs and 160lbs.
I completely agree that BMI is FAR from a perfect indicator. Not even taking into account muscle mass on a person, some people are legitimately denser than others depending on their heritage. But I think those with high BMIs who lift understand that they are fine. I'm mostly referring to people who are lying to themselves or in denial.
If you aren't lifting hardcore, or a genetic freak, I think BMI is about as good of an indicator for the general population as there is if you're looking for a desirable weight range.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:47 am to Joshjrn
How quick does the panic go away if people knew 70% of Covid deaths are african-american?
There's something evolutionary hard wired into people's brains to think if something is happening to people that don't look like me it's not a big deal.
It's why no one does anything about inner city crime.
There's something evolutionary hard wired into people's brains to think if something is happening to people that don't look like me it's not a big deal.
It's why no one does anything about inner city crime.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:50 am to The Boat
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How quick does the panic go away if people knew 70% of Covid deaths are african-american?
Shinny shinny hook. Over/under 4.5 bans
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:05 am to baldona
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What's the difference between controlled and uncontrolled diabetes?
Diabetes is really more of a symptom (can't control blood sugar unassisted) than a disease. The disease is whatever underlying reason you can't control your blood sugar. Most commonly in the US, it's a thick damn layer of fat leading to severely increased insulin resistance. Type-1 is typically an autoimmune disorder that attacks the beta cells of the pancreas. There are others on top of that (pancreatitis, genetic driven insulin resistance, etc..).
In the end, you have:
Reasons A,B,C, and D why someone may not be able to control their blood sugar without intervention (diabetes).
This diabetes than leads to complications E,F,G,H,I......X,Y,Z - which are increasingly painful ways to live and in turn, horrible ways to die.
BUT, unsubstantiated, the claim that "diabetes" is a comorbidity has a few possible explanations.
(1) The underlying cause for the diabetes, is in and of itself the comorbidity. I.e., the beta-cell autoimmune attack of type 1's …. I kind've worried about this one when I saw 40+% diabetes but only 20%ish with listed obesity.
(2) What the diabetic is doing to control is the comorbidity (i.e. the best controlled Type-2's operating on severe carbohydrate restrictions, or for some reason medicines like metformin, glympiridine, Trulicity,etc… are the problem).
Or...most commonly,
(3) The comorbidity is poor blood sugar control itself, and is just another complication of not maintaining blood sugar control.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:12 am to The Boat
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The Boat
The odds of this thread getting locked just skyrocketted
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:14 am to LSUJML
I'm in great shape with all these things. 
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