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re: Dartmouth reinstating ACT/SAT requirement

Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:48 pm to
Posted by SneezyBeltranIsHere
Member since Jul 2021
4293 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:48 pm to
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It's always fun when the left's idiotic policies come back and bite them.



The extreme left makes a lot of wacky decisions, but I don't know if this is one of them.

For the most highly selective schools, especially for STEM majors, the SAT is almost too blunt of a tool.

I have a son who is a Junior at an IvyPlus school that is in the US News top 10. He had a perfect math score on the SAT, 5s on all of his math & science APs. He has a 3.96 GPA as a Junior taking crazy hard classes (all As and one A-). My son doesn't know anyone at his school that scored below a 790 on the SAT math test. Still, while he seems like a math genius to me, he wouldn't be at the level of the STEM kids at MIT or CalTech. The SAT does nothing to help our most selective universities in distinguishing aptitude in mathematics. They look for people who have won certain math contests, who have successful software businesses, etc.
Posted by conservativewifeymom
Mid Atlantic
Member since Oct 2012
14101 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:02 pm to
Duh! Excellent move, unnecessary if they hadn't become another woke campus.
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
22628 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:07 pm to
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DEI in action again.
DEI is the cancer that will end "Higher Education" as we know it. Until you witness it first-hand, you won't understand how insidious this monster is.
Posted by FOBW
N.O.
Member since Sep 2016
467 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:22 pm to
Pay your fees, get your b’s.
Everybody graduates in four years too.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
20126 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:25 pm to
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The 29 with TOPS, would still owe roughly 60K to LSU for a bachelor's.


Hmmmm
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
20126 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:29 pm to
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demand high standards for admission, then it’s easy as frick to stay in


That's the MBA model. Makes sense undergrad starts to adopt it. They don't want you to fail out.

I went to a state school MBA program and have two good buddies that went to Wharton and the programs were very, very similar. Obviously, they have a much better alumni network and their degree opens more doors, but the actual education and instruction we received was pretty identical. I had a few Wharton grad professors actually.
This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 1:30 pm
Posted by MrWhipple
West of the Mississippi
Member since Jun 2016
1138 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:44 pm to
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Posted by MrWhipple
West of the Mississippi
Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:49 pm to
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The 33 can go pretty much anywhere for free/actually get paid.


People throw around ‘free’ way too much when talking about tuition. A 33 will not get you tech stipends, books, room and board. Takes a higher score to go ‘anywhere’.

I recently put a 35 and 32 through college(s).
Posted by pelicansfan123
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:50 pm to
Having worked in higher education (non-admissions, but I still understand how this stuff works), I was having this conversation with someone who is a college admissions consultant.

I was telling her that if I saw, even if the school was test-optional, that a student didn't submit their ACT/SAT scores, it would immediately cause me to essentially side-eye them and assume they did poorly on their standardized testing.
This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 2:20 pm
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
46635 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:52 pm to
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For the most highly selective schools, especially for STEM majors, the SAT is almost too blunt of a tool. I have a son who is a Junior at an IvyPlus school that is in the US News top 10. He had a perfect math score on the SAT, 5s on all of his math & science APs. He has a 3.96 GPA as a Junior taking crazy hard classes (all As and one A-). My son doesn't know anyone at his school that scored below a 790 on the SAT math test. Still, while he seems like a math genius to me, he wouldn't be at the level of the STEM kids at MIT or CalTech. The SAT does nothing to help our most selective universities in distinguishing aptitude in mathematics. They look for people who have won certain math contests, who have successful software businesses, etc.


Of course there will always be levels that don’t get sorted out until you are there.

We are discussing something far more simplistic and easier to identify than that.
This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 1:54 pm
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
62230 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:59 pm to
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is this bc of room & board? This seems like a lot with tops




Yes. Forced to stay on campus and get a meal plan.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
62230 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:02 pm to
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People throw around ‘free’ way too much when talking about tuition. A 33 will not get you tech stipends, books, room and board. Takes a higher score to go ‘anywhere’.



I guess I should clarify to all of the schools she applied to it got her everything paid for including room and board as well as money left over. The only one she applied to that we would have to pay anything is Columbia. With our income, we would be responsible for 17k a year. Something I'll gladly pay, but she has no desire to live in NYC.
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
43116 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:24 pm to
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Until you witness it first-hand, you won't understand how insidious this monster is.



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