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Posted on 10/1/19 at 3:02 am to LSUFAITHFUL
I just can't see how you can enter the wrong apartment. Especially the way it was decorated.
How could you not know you are entering the wrong place? Even in the dark.. and how long do you go before turning a light on.. Wouldn't the fact of someone else being in there start to give you some serious pause and wonder? And why wouldn't you immediately run out the apartment and towards others? Why not get out and call for the police. Even if you are a police officer. Idk, I just don't get it.
Maybe if you are incredibly intoxicated, but it concerns me this isn't even her defense. It disgusts me that people like this can legally have power over people.
I just feel like you would know if you weren't in your place.. pretty quickly.. I guess I am use to keeping things pretty messy.
I'm also not sure I buy that she gave him verbal commands either. I'm also not sure that they would have even mattered here. If she noticed the door was cracked and someone moving around why didn't she step back to really make sure she even had the right place. It's like she went in looking to shoot someone. I just do not believe this woman. It doesn't add up. It's sickening.
Prosecutor talking about how the 4th floor is totally different from the 3rd floor
He also talks about how they are trained to take cover and call for backup if they can safely do so. She could have easily done so. She took this all into her own hands. Now she should be held accountable.
He also talks about how messy Bo's apartment was.. W
How could you not know you are entering the wrong place? Even in the dark.. and how long do you go before turning a light on.. Wouldn't the fact of someone else being in there start to give you some serious pause and wonder? And why wouldn't you immediately run out the apartment and towards others? Why not get out and call for the police. Even if you are a police officer. Idk, I just don't get it.
Maybe if you are incredibly intoxicated, but it concerns me this isn't even her defense. It disgusts me that people like this can legally have power over people.
I just feel like you would know if you weren't in your place.. pretty quickly.. I guess I am use to keeping things pretty messy.
I'm also not sure I buy that she gave him verbal commands either. I'm also not sure that they would have even mattered here. If she noticed the door was cracked and someone moving around why didn't she step back to really make sure she even had the right place. It's like she went in looking to shoot someone. I just do not believe this woman. It doesn't add up. It's sickening.
Prosecutor talking about how the 4th floor is totally different from the 3rd floor
He also talks about how they are trained to take cover and call for backup if they can safely do so. She could have easily done so. She took this all into her own hands. Now she should be held accountable.
He also talks about how messy Bo's apartment was.. W
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 3:45 am
Posted on 10/1/19 at 4:42 am to beauchristopher
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Even in the dark.. and how long do you go before turning a light on
The fact it was dark is her claim and I have my doubts he fixed a bowl of ice cream and cookies and sat on the couch to eat them in pitch black darkness, not impossible but damn unlikely.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 6:40 am to cave canem
The prosecutor had an outstanding closing statement.
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He makes the point that it's super bright in the hallway and when the door is open you can see fairly well into the apartment.
He also points out that when she put the key in the door it flashes red to indicate it doesn't recognize.
And lastly, he puts out that it could have even been maintenance. Not likely at that time at night, but what if it was a burst pipe.. or anything..
She went in and pretty much immediately shot him. The fact that he said, "hey, hey, hey" and made himself known means he wasn't doing anything to be a threat towards her. This is not self defense.
She needs to be held responsible. This is absolutely awful.
I once had an intruder come into my house at like 2 am in the morning.. and I was so shocked I didn't know what to do.. All I could think to do was say, "hey man.." and not act like I was scared.. I then shut my bedroom door and started texting my friends to tell them about it. I later peaked out my room and saw he was passed out on my couch in the living room. He was clearly drunk. I then went outside and saw his truck in between our house and the neighbor's.. I figured because he was drunk he just had the wrong house. I went to my neighbor's and told them.. and they came to get him. He was one of their friends. When they woke him up and explained what happened he said, "I could have been shot!!!"
I'll never forget that.
Even though this dude came into my home unexpectedly I could still sense he was no threat.. Of course it was somewhat alarming, but I quickly processed what was going on. My point is that if I was looking to harm this intruder I would never have said hey to him.
It's easy to say how you will react to a situation, but it can be different when it's unexpected. When he saw me, all I could think to say was "hey." So, I definitely get saying "hey."
This poor guy never even had a chance. I believe she made the decision she was going to shoot whoever was in there, prior to entering. That is simply not reasonable.
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He makes the point that it's super bright in the hallway and when the door is open you can see fairly well into the apartment.
He also points out that when she put the key in the door it flashes red to indicate it doesn't recognize.
And lastly, he puts out that it could have even been maintenance. Not likely at that time at night, but what if it was a burst pipe.. or anything..
She went in and pretty much immediately shot him. The fact that he said, "hey, hey, hey" and made himself known means he wasn't doing anything to be a threat towards her. This is not self defense.
She needs to be held responsible. This is absolutely awful.
I once had an intruder come into my house at like 2 am in the morning.. and I was so shocked I didn't know what to do.. All I could think to do was say, "hey man.." and not act like I was scared.. I then shut my bedroom door and started texting my friends to tell them about it. I later peaked out my room and saw he was passed out on my couch in the living room. He was clearly drunk. I then went outside and saw his truck in between our house and the neighbor's.. I figured because he was drunk he just had the wrong house. I went to my neighbor's and told them.. and they came to get him. He was one of their friends. When they woke him up and explained what happened he said, "I could have been shot!!!"
I'll never forget that.
Even though this dude came into my home unexpectedly I could still sense he was no threat.. Of course it was somewhat alarming, but I quickly processed what was going on. My point is that if I was looking to harm this intruder I would never have said hey to him. It's easy to say how you will react to a situation, but it can be different when it's unexpected. When he saw me, all I could think to say was "hey." So, I definitely get saying "hey."
This poor guy never even had a chance. I believe she made the decision she was going to shoot whoever was in there, prior to entering. That is simply not reasonable.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 6:58 am
Posted on 10/1/19 at 6:57 am to RazorBroncs
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but lots of people carry guns
And I would feel similar about someone with a CCW. Carrying the gun brings with it certain responsibilities and you should be judged accordingly. You've told society that you will be responsible and not do something like shoot a guy in his own apartment because you couldn't tell it wasn't your door.
The rest of your post has nothing to do with what I'm saying. I'm not saying we should treat cops like they're action movie heroes.
It's very simple. We treat them like they won't make a horrendously stupid mistake like this. And judge them harshly when they do.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 7:16 am to TH03
I have not followed this but a question has come up, how did her key open his door?
Posted on 10/1/19 at 7:33 am to LCA131
Part of this is something that has not been discussed and some of the law enforcement officers in this thread need to have a long think about.
There is an unwritten social contract that a police officer is held to a much higher standard when it comes to discharging their weapon and it benefits greatly good officers.
This contract means most citizens do not perceive LEO's with drawn guns as an immediate threat to their life that they need to respond to and eliminate for their and their families safety.
Chipping away at this will not end well for LEO's, you can not have your cake and eat it as well.
There is an unwritten social contract that a police officer is held to a much higher standard when it comes to discharging their weapon and it benefits greatly good officers.
This contract means most citizens do not perceive LEO's with drawn guns as an immediate threat to their life that they need to respond to and eliminate for their and their families safety.
Chipping away at this will not end well for LEO's, you can not have your cake and eat it as well.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 7:36 am to LCA131
The door was reportedly ajar and so her key didn’t actually open it. They’re RFID keys so they’re all shaped the same.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 7:58 am to cave canem
I will finally chime into this ( as though you’ve all been waiting). There is a chance for a manslaughter conviction correct? Murder is a bit excessive IMO. She is a dumbass, never should be a cop again, and should do some time, but is this going to be another riot situation if she is not given life without parole?
To the key question, she’s a cop in an apartment. Did she work security for the complex in any capacity? If so would she have a master key? If she used that it would or should have made some bells go off in her head. Was the door unlocked? Which startled her and sent her into the apartment with her gun already drawn anticipating an intruder?
IMO this is a tragedy like a person backing over their kid in the driveway. It’s HORRIFIC but there are only victims. The dead toddler or this poor guy and the parent or this poor cop. Victims of their own stupidity, lives ruined.
To the key question, she’s a cop in an apartment. Did she work security for the complex in any capacity? If so would she have a master key? If she used that it would or should have made some bells go off in her head. Was the door unlocked? Which startled her and sent her into the apartment with her gun already drawn anticipating an intruder?
IMO this is a tragedy like a person backing over their kid in the driveway. It’s HORRIFIC but there are only victims. The dead toddler or this poor guy and the parent or this poor cop. Victims of their own stupidity, lives ruined.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:07 am to LSU alum wannabe
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To the key question, she’s a cop in an apartment. Did she work security for the complex in any capacity? If so would she have a master key?
No. No.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:40 am to LSU alum wannabe
quote:wait, she's a victim?
IMO this is a tragedy like a person backing over their kid in the driveway. It’s HORRIFIC but there are only victims. The dead toddler or this poor guy and the parent or this poor cop. Victims of their own stupidity, lives ruined.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:43 am to LSU alum wannabe
quote:If you backed over your toddler, would you render aid or call a friend and ask how to cover it up?
IMO this is a tragedy like a person backing over their kid in the driveway. It’s HORRIFIC but there are only victims. The dead toddler or this poor guy and the parent or this poor cop.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:44 am to lsupride87
she sho is getting alot of sympathy, and i'm not sure why.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:44 am to lsupride87
I have Casey Anthony on speed-dial for just such an occasion where a toddler or any small child is killed due to my negligence.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:45 am to LSU alum wannabe
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It’s HORRIFIC but there are only victims.
She is not a victim, she is a piece of shite. She can rot in Texas prison for the rest of her life.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:35 am to LSU alum wannabe
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IMO this is a tragedy like a person backing over their kid in the driveway.
I have zero sympathy for her. The only victim in this case is Botham Jean.
Whats crazy is she gets to use the Castle Doctrine as her defense, but somehow Botham Jean is made to be the criminal by the defense for having the audacity to get up from his couch to approach the person illegally entering his home.
He would have been well within his right to " not retreat" or attack a person entering into his home, so I hope the jurors take in the consideration the Castle Doctrine for Mr Jean sake
Based on his and her neighbors in the complex, she never said a word before shooting him. Just as the prosecutor said, you don't get to illegally enter someones home, shoot them dead and then turn around and say "oops...my bad" and live the rest of your life in freedom.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:45 am to MrBiriwa
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but somehow Botham Jean is made to be the criminal
No one is saying he's a criminal. You dumbass.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:46 am to nerd guy
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No one is saying he's a criminal. You dumbass
I mean it's pretty much the only reason people kept bringing up the pot stuff.
The judge telling the jury to consider the castle doctrine definitely implies he was a criminal.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 9:47 am
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:48 am to TH03
quote:that was a shock to me that they would consider it
The judge telling the jury to consider the castle doctrine definitely implies he was a criminal.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:52 am to TH03
Jury just asked for clarification regarding the Castle Doctrine & manslaughter charge...
Sounds like they may be leaning towards manslaughter.
Sounds like they may be leaning towards manslaughter.
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