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re: Dallas PD Guyger Trial: Guilty of Murder..Sentence to 10years in prison
Posted on 9/30/19 at 7:54 pm to SlapahoeTribe
Posted on 9/30/19 at 7:54 pm to SlapahoeTribe
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The only significant difference I see in this case is that she accidentally walked into the wrong fricking apartment
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SlapahoeTribe
Hey man, just between us two, you aren’t being serious....right?
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 7:55 pm to RazorBroncs
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Read the thread, there's plenty saying she should be in for life or "locked up and throw away the key."
I wouldn't have an issue with it.
Police officers should be held to a higher standard.
They aren't, but they should be.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
I think not rendering aid and instead calling someone to help cover it up would have me very conflicted as a juror settling on manslaughter
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:12 pm to TH03
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Police officers should be held to a higher standard.
I agree, IF the incident took place in any official capacity. She was off the clock and off duty, a citizen.
The only thing the job really did in this instance was make a gun readily available. She was a human that happened to be wearing a uniform making her own stupid decisions.
In this case, she shouldn't receive special consideration in a positive or negative way because of her profession because she wasn't IN that profession. I cringed at the other cops that testified and said she basically wasn't guilty. Not something I would ever do.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:35 pm to RazorBroncs
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I'm in law enforcement (US Marshal)
My dad was a Texas Ranger and US Marshal
Some of the coolest guys I’ve met growing up.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:01 pm to RazorBroncs
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She was off the clock and off duty, a citizen.
No. You don't get to just write this part off so easily.
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The only thing the job really did in this instance was make a gun readily available.
Off duty is irrelevant. She is still carrying her weapon that she is entrusted with by being a police officer.
An off duty cop in uniform with a service weapon is not just an ordinary citizen. And they should still be held to a higher standard off duty.
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:34 pm to SlapahoeTribe
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A horrible horrible accident.
One in which she decided to call her buddy LEO who had killed someone prior to ask for advice... meanwhile not giving aid while she had first aid supplies in her bag after killing an innocent man in his living room.
Yeah theres not a lot of sympathy there.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 9:39 pm to SlapahoeTribe
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The only significant difference I see in this case is that she accidentally walked into the wrong fricking apartment.
And the kill the occupant... for occupying his space.
Yeah thats illegal for good reasons.
If I walk into your house, kill someone, then realize its the wrong apartment, you really think nothing should happen to me?
.This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:08 pm to NYNolaguy1
She has a lot of problems with her defense:
Castle doctrine gives you a presumption that deadly force was reasonable. Even if actually in your own house that is a rebuttable presumption.
1. Wasn’t actually her house.
2. A dude sitting on the couch eating ice cream is not a threat.
3. Did she not see that the door mat (bright red) was not hers...and the furniture was not hers?
The question is does she get the benefit of the presumption that her actions were reasonable. I honestly don’t think so.
Was she honestly mistaken? maybe. Doesn’t make any of it reasonable...
Castle doctrine gives you a presumption that deadly force was reasonable. Even if actually in your own house that is a rebuttable presumption.
1. Wasn’t actually her house.
2. A dude sitting on the couch eating ice cream is not a threat.
3. Did she not see that the door mat (bright red) was not hers...and the furniture was not hers?
The question is does she get the benefit of the presumption that her actions were reasonable. I honestly don’t think so.
Was she honestly mistaken? maybe. Doesn’t make any of it reasonable...
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:12 pm to LSUFAITHFUL
Don’t think it’s murder though...probably manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:35 pm to TH03
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She was off the clock and off duty, a citizen.
No. You don't get to just write this part off so easily.
I know first hand, when I'm not on the job or "on duty" I'm just an average guy you wouldn't know from Adam. Yes, I usually have my service weapon, but lots of people carry guns. My demeanor and level of attention is entirely different, I "let my guard down" to put it simply.
While we are trained pretty extensively, it's not like most people think and see in the movies. I don't have any special fighting skills, I don't have super focus ability, and I don't have some steely resolve that makes me incapable of fear.
I'm a normal guy that can shoot a pistol at a paper target really well, gets to ride in airplanes sometimes for free, and can sit in a car for a long time. I'm DEFINITELY not infallible because I'm a Marshal.
But the way some people in this thread think cops are all trained like TV show cops and aren't just regular people in a uniform bothers me. Just like regular people, there are shitty cops and great ones, assholes and caring ones, brave ones and cowards; she probably falls on the less complimentary side of those qualities.
I'm not arguing for her freedom or absolution, I already said I think she's guilty and should get 10-12.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:49 pm to RazorBroncs
She's a murderer and needs lots of prison time for this murder.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:51 pm to RazorBroncs
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I agree, IF the incident took place in any official capacity. She was off the clock and off duty, a citizen.
The only thing the job really did in this instance was make a gun readily available. She was a human that happened to be wearing a uniform making her own stupid decisions.
In this case, she shouldn't receive special consideration in a positive or negative way because of her profession because she wasn't IN that profession. I cringed at the other cops that testified and said she basically wasn't guilty. Not something I would ever do.
I promise you that if the tables were turned and she was the one dead you would not be making the claim she was a off duty cop was irrelevant.
Try to have at least a smidgen of integrity please.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:55 pm to cave canem
I wouldn't want the guy to go to jail for murder if the opposite happened and he shot her for coming into his apartment like she did. Her being a police officer has zero bearing on that opinion.
Accuse me of whatever, but don't just make shite up and put words in my mouth.
Accuse me of whatever, but don't just make shite up and put words in my mouth.
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 9/30/19 at 11:05 pm to RazorBroncs
Do you feel the department should have to pay the victim's people?
Posted on 9/30/19 at 11:09 pm to SEClint
Not really, they weren't really culpable in any way. Should SHE have to pay the victim's family in some way though? Probably.
The Department probably will anyway just to ease the public opinion as much as possible.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 11:20 pm to RazorBroncs
Cost of doing business I guess. Was wondering if it would be a good pr gesture
Posted on 9/30/19 at 11:58 pm to SEClint
For those arguing whether she should be held to a higher standard or that she should be treated differently...
This is an interesting issue...
If you are a normal chick (non cop) and you walk up to what you think is your front door and the door is ajar and you think someone is inside...you retreat and call the police. I think you do that even if you have a gun in your purse. I think you may have to do this under the castle doctrine. Castle doctrine protects you if you kill someone who breaks into an inhabited dwelling. It has to be occupied at the time of break-in...meaning she had to be inside and an intruder is coming in. You can’t knowingly go in your house with an intruder in there and kill them. Unknowingly stumbling into a break in in progress is another thing. But she knew something was wrong because the door was ajar. Should have called the police. But she didn’t, probably because she is the police. Not smart, but okay. Now you have your police hat on...even if you are off duty. So as a cop responding to a break I’m in progress...you cant just show up and go in guns blazing either.
I’m not sure in either scenario she can justify the fact that she shot first and asked questions later.
This is an interesting issue...
If you are a normal chick (non cop) and you walk up to what you think is your front door and the door is ajar and you think someone is inside...you retreat and call the police. I think you do that even if you have a gun in your purse. I think you may have to do this under the castle doctrine. Castle doctrine protects you if you kill someone who breaks into an inhabited dwelling. It has to be occupied at the time of break-in...meaning she had to be inside and an intruder is coming in. You can’t knowingly go in your house with an intruder in there and kill them. Unknowingly stumbling into a break in in progress is another thing. But she knew something was wrong because the door was ajar. Should have called the police. But she didn’t, probably because she is the police. Not smart, but okay. Now you have your police hat on...even if you are off duty. So as a cop responding to a break I’m in progress...you cant just show up and go in guns blazing either.
I’m not sure in either scenario she can justify the fact that she shot first and asked questions later.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 1:56 am to SlapahoeTribe
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Well, that’s your opinion. I on the other hand see how easy it would be to accidentally walk into the wrong apartment in a complex such as this - even the man’s neighbor, a witness for the prosecution, admitted that it had happened to him before.
If it was such a common occurrence for people, then why did she pull her gun? She could have seen the door open, seen the different doormat, and figured she made a mistake that was apparently common enough to the apartment complex that it was a somewhat regular occurence. Instead, she pulled a gun and killed a man. And now people want to feel sorry for her. I'd rather send her to jail for a long time because her grossly negligent behavior was so confounding.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 1:59 am
Posted on 10/1/19 at 2:11 am to SlapahoeTribe
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The only significant difference I see in this case is that she accidentally walked into the wrong fricking apartment.
So you mean that it's entirely different from a case in which an intruder enters a house and gets shot.
I love these hypotheticals in which dumbshits imagine scenarios entirely different from the facts of the case for the purpose of avoiding an obvious point.
Since criminal negligence in Texas is defined as something an ordinary person would not do. Given that you've already admitted the layout of this apartment complex led many people to get confused and enter the wrong apartment, I'd say it was criminally negligent for this dumb officer to pull out her gun and shoot a man before checking, like a normal person would, whether they were even in the right apartment. Or even not pulling a gun and walking into an apartment and then realizing it wasn't theirs. So yes I think what she did was criminally negligent.
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