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re: Current, former LA officials spar over scuttled coastal project (Mid-Barataria Diversion)

Posted on 8/15/25 at 12:07 am to
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 8/15/25 at 12:07 am to
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Do you think that the global warming model should have been used?

Doesnt matter which model was used. Edwards admin said they obtained flood insurance covergae for the parishes in the area (they lied), and that they could cover all dredging costs (another lie)

The ACoE estimates that at $50M a year over the 50 year life of the project. $50M x 50 = $2.5B

Lulz

La. will never have that mush extra cash on hand
Posted by Kreg Jennings
Parts Unknown
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Posted on 8/15/25 at 6:54 am to
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oyster

Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 8/15/25 at 8:40 am to
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Doesnt matter which model was used. Edwards admin said they obtained flood insurance covergae for the parishes in the area (they lied), and that they could cover all dredging costs (another lie)

The ACoE estimates that at $50M a year over the 50 year life of the project. $50M x 50 = $2.5B

All estimates and assumptions are based off the model used. That's how it works.
This post was edited on 8/15/25 at 8:43 am
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
34264 posts
Posted on 8/15/25 at 9:25 am to
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All estimates and assumptions are based off the model used. That's how it works.

Guaranteeing flood insurance for a parish isnt based on the model used

Dredging would have still been required in all models

And I'm assuming the global warming model would have included rising sea levels over 50 years, requiring more parishes to secure flood insurance, and more dredging to increase the outflow

Either model used, the Edwards admin lied. The ACoE rightfully pulled the permit. Landry was correct in killing the project. Now bottom feeders are angry that their gravy train over the next 50 years just vanished. Thats why the thread is titled FORMER officials vs current ones that made the decision. Their grift came to a sudden and unexpected stop
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 8/15/25 at 9:30 am to
What's the political version of a bootlicker?
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
34264 posts
Posted on 8/15/25 at 9:31 am to
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What's the political version of a bootlicker?

Fact checker
Posted by profdillweed
Gulf of America
Member since Apr 2025
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Posted on 8/15/25 at 9:37 am to
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Shane Guidry gets in the dredging business.


Aint gonna happen...Kurt Crosby has that sewn up
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 8/15/25 at 10:06 am to
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What's the political version of a bootlicker?


Staffer.
Posted by lsuchip30
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2007
484 posts
Posted on 8/15/25 at 10:30 am to
Tell that to the people that have lost their jobs because this project was scrapped. No grift here. When a company wins a portion of a project fairly by providing fair pricing and great value and working a relationship with a subcontractor then that project is cancelled, it sucks. All I know is that the company that I work for was counting on that project to expand their business operations in south Louisiana. Nothing under the table, no kickbacks - just providing a great service and great value for a piece of a 3 billion dollar construction project. Multiple people at dozens of companies are now looking for employment after being told for a damn year that this project is gonna happen and to sit tight.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
34264 posts
Posted on 8/15/25 at 3:56 pm to
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Tell that to the people that have lost their jobs because this project was scrapped.

Almost everyone has lost a job due to cut backs at some point in their life. Its not the taxpayers responsibility to keep you employed

People have been cheering Trump for slashing fed jobs since he got elected. But those that thought they had a right to taxpayer funds, filed lawsuits. Trump keeps winning those lawsuits. But if Landry cuts funding, hes a horrible governor. The state never had the money to guarantee flood coverage or maintenance dredging. JBE lied to your company by promising we did. And your company banked on those lies. JBE is the bad guy in this story. And the ACoE cited those lies in the canceling of their permit
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The agency stated that during the permit evaluation, the Edwards administration withheld information it knew would be important for regulators to assess environmental impacts. The Corps also said the state failed to secure local flood insurance compliance and may not be able to afford critical maintenance dredging.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 8/15/25 at 3:58 pm to
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People have been cheering Trump for slashing fed jobs since he got elected. But those that thought they had a right to taxpayer funds, filed lawsuits. Trump keeps winning those lawsuits. But if Landry cuts funding, hes a horrible governor.


Trump sucks, too. What's your point? He's also on the Epstein List.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
34264 posts
Posted on 8/15/25 at 4:11 pm to
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What's your point?

That JBE lied

Then the Army Corps of Engineers pulled the permit

There was no project at that point

Blame JBE
Posted by lsuchip30
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2007
484 posts
Posted on 8/15/25 at 4:12 pm to
The company that I work for pursued a project that was not using a penny of taxpayer funds to pay for the construction. I get that maintenance post construction is taxpayer funded. I look at it like this - of the millions and hundreds of millions of dollars spent on projects all across this state, almost all of those are funded using taxpayer dollars, then the maintenance is also funded using taxpayer dollars. This one had the initial 3 billion of construction costs funded by the BP trust. Thats a pretty good deal - especially when you consider that any dredging to compensate for the loss of this project will be taxpayer funded.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
34264 posts
Posted on 8/15/25 at 4:22 pm to
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Thats a pretty good deal - especially when you consider that any dredging to compensate for the loss of this project will be taxpayer funded.

You just cant gloss over $2.5 billion in taxpayer money for dredging costs over 50 years as "a pretty good deal"
Posted by lsuchip30
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2007
484 posts
Posted on 8/15/25 at 4:30 pm to
So - what are those dredging costs going to be over the next, say 10 years, without a diversion project to divert sediment? Or are they just going to disregard the land loss that is happening?
Whatever your (or anyone else's) thoughts are about this solution, I don't think anyone can ignore that there is a problem and that land loss is happening and that it needs to be addressed. Any project is going to have maintenance costs post construction. It's just that this one was going to have the initial 3 billion in construction costs covered.
Also - there are many companies in the same boat on this one. I can only speak for the one that I work for - we did nothing wrong - pursued a large project and won it. No grift, no kickbacks, nothing of the sort. We were issued a PO and now its gone. We hired people, purchased equipment, leased property, purchased and set aside material - for nothing.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
34264 posts
Posted on 8/15/25 at 4:44 pm to
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pursued a large project and won it.

Clearly you didnt

As of April there was no project. The ACoE pulled the permit. Landry couldnt finish the the project without the permit. Blame JBE for getting the permit pulled
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
44906 posts
Posted on 8/15/25 at 4:46 pm to
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As bad as Landry is on multiple fronts, his association with Guidry is by far the worst.


That says a lot when Landry got Cleo Fields elected to Congress
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 8/15/25 at 4:56 pm to
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As of April there was no project. The ACoE pulled the permit. Landry couldnt finish the the project without the permit. Blame JBE for getting the permit pulled


That was a minor setback that was being worked through and you're being wholly disingenuous in blaming JBE. This project was killed by Landry and his handlers. We get it, you voted for him and refuse to ever admit you were duped.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 8/15/25 at 4:58 pm to
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Edwards admin said they obtained flood insurance covergae for the parishes in the area (they lied)


You don't even understand the argument you're trying to make. The issue was a FEMA mapping issue that allowed the injunction, but don't let facts get in the way.
Posted by man in the stadium
Member since Aug 2006
1454 posts
Posted on 8/15/25 at 5:12 pm to
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Then the Army Corps of Engineers pulled the permit


you keep saying this

and this

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That JBE lied



It shows how little you know. I am sure you are some staffer or oyster lobby-associated, and that's fine, you are parroting your master's line, but for the rest of the board, let's be clear on a few things:

1) The USACE requires a local sponsor (in this case the state) for all projects. The USACE only pulls a permit in situations like this (after they've issued it) when the local sponsor first signals they no longer support the project. In this case, the Dove/Landry/Nungesser cabal stated FIRST, with no scientific basis, they didn't want the project, THEN the Corps pulled it. You continue to state it the other way around, like the Corps saw the light or uncovered a hidden fact or something. If the state supported it and re-submitted it tomorrow, the Corps would still approve of it. You are being disingenuous in how you state this.

2) JBE did not lie. I hated the guy, but he didn't lie, and this is another subversion of facts that unfortunately political types aren't intellectually equipped to understand. Every model is a purpose specific tool. Think of them like telescopes...the same telescope can be dialed in and focused to view something close, like the moon, or something farther, like a planet, another star system, another galaxy etc...the same tool/telescope. In this case, models were dialed in to look at entirely different scenarios: one the broad basin-side effects, the other the conveyance channel and nearfield intake/outfall. You are favoring misused results from the latter when the former is the correct model to consider for broad land preservation or building performance. Once again, disingenuous at best, outright strategic lies at worst. You are picking up the telescope dialed in to view the Moon and saying "aha, see, a lie, it doesnt view Neptune very well at all!" but you are ignoring the fact it was not set up with that intent.

You clearly are interested in the subject. I would highly encourage you to go talk to the scientists and engineers from across the nation and world, who all spent decades thinking on the problem, who all came to the same solution. But somehow you and the cabal you favor know better...? It is why Louisiana is the way it is and always will be.
This post was edited on 8/15/25 at 5:16 pm
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