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re: Current Apprentice Talks about why apprenticeships suck
Posted on 8/9/25 at 8:31 am to tiggerthetooth
Posted on 8/9/25 at 8:31 am to tiggerthetooth
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No one will admit this but blue collar work environments are nasty and total shite...and not necessarily in terms of physical state but more in terms of garbage conversations, disgusting topics, rude, lack of professionalism. Youre around ex-cons, drug addicts, etc. And not the reflective humble ex-con or drug addict, but the ex-con who still thinks he was done wrong or the drug addict who brags about passing drug tests. You're constantly surrounded by the dregs of society that have never sat down for a moment and evaluated themselves and/or why their lives are constant dysfunction.
The biggest proponents for being a blue collar worker are never blue collar workers.
And the above is why people in the need of quality labor choose Mexicans and not Americans.
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Posted on 8/9/25 at 8:35 am to tiggerthetooth
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No one will admit this but blue collar work environments are nasty and total shite...and not necessarily in terms of physical state but more in terms of garbage conversations, disgusting topics, rude, lack of professionalism.
Sounds like your current medical laboratory "professionals" nowadays.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 8:36 am to Odysseus32
I don’t think the goal is to be a crawl in hot, small physically demanding places to do electrical work for 50 years. The goal is to do that kind of work for 20 years and in your early 40s transition to more of a managing position and let the young electricians do the hard physical labor.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 8:40 am to Odysseus32
I suspect there will be a LOT of young people finding out the reality of the trades over the next few years. Social media has been pushing that trades are a lifehack goldmine for several years now without mentioning the negatives.
Just last week I was reading a post on FB and hundreds of comments from women and non-tradies telling the virtues of how the trades a such a great career choice. I didn't read though all the comments but I didn't see a single voice of reason in the ones I did read. It was just 100% trades are a fantastic way to earn a living.
I don't think I've ever hear Mike Rowe talk about the downsides to bluecollar work. He just gets his $50k speaking fee to go tell kids they are needed for the dirty work this country has to offer.
Just last week I was reading a post on FB and hundreds of comments from women and non-tradies telling the virtues of how the trades a such a great career choice. I didn't read though all the comments but I didn't see a single voice of reason in the ones I did read. It was just 100% trades are a fantastic way to earn a living.
I don't think I've ever hear Mike Rowe talk about the downsides to bluecollar work. He just gets his $50k speaking fee to go tell kids they are needed for the dirty work this country has to offer.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 8:44 am to Odysseus32
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lacked empathy
I work with a bunch of pussies that think of shite like this. I'm not at work to babysit, be a counselor or your friend. I'm here for money
Posted on 8/9/25 at 8:45 am to Odysseus32
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The company owners are making a killing and the workers are in a race to the bottom.
Culture of who can be the dumbest person on a job site.
Egotistical.
Safety standards ignored.
Education is seen as something to be ridiculed.
You could have just written “The company owners are Republicans” and we would have understood immediately.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 8:46 am to Odysseus32
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People on the sites were rude, lacked empathy, sometimes even did shitty work (and word got around), and treated their apprentices like garbage.
You seem very naive.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 8:46 am to Odysseus32
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People on the sites were rude, lacked empathy, sometimes even did shitty work (and word got around), and treated their apprentices like garbage.
Any group of humans is a mixed bag. I worked in the trades, and I had a professional career. In both I ran into a few assholes, but most were good folks. And yes, it’s true that trades people will poke fun at “Scratch-Pad” or whatever they call the architect or engineer. And they will absolutely delight in finding errors on the drawings.
When I visited my design projects I would tell the electricians that I did my best, but the job won’t come out great without their input, so give me suggestions on better ways to do things. A good field team will make an architect or engineer look good.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 8:47 am to TBoy
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You could have just written “The company owners are Republicans” and we would have understood immediately.
Youre broken.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 8:48 am to Strannix
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Its more nuanced than this but he is showing his ignorance.
Not fit for the work. He should have been a barista.
The workplace used to be a grind for all men, I thought this was understood.
This post was edited on 8/9/25 at 9:03 am
Posted on 8/9/25 at 8:52 am to Odysseus32
Useful losers are in all industries and most start out being one... my first job was a dish washer at a Mexican restaurant. But you don't have to stay that way.
This guy will probably always be a complainer and never make too far past useful loser stage.
This guy will probably always be a complainer and never make too far past useful loser stage.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 9:12 am to Darth_Vader
quote:The vast majority of fields you named already involve a year or more of internships that co-occur with college. People aren't starting corporate marketing jobs or in private agencies right out of college without significant time working in a business.
Apprenticeship should not just be for the trades fields. For the vast majority of careers, college has become a huge waste of time and money. A lot of what kids learn there is useless in the real world of their chosen field and they go into their careers with little idea how to actually do their jobs.
Really, unless going into a specialized field such as engineering, healthcare, law and a few others, an apprenticeship would serve young people far better. This is especially true in fields like marketing and business. Even young people wanting to go into fields like accounting and computer sciences would come out ahead by doing an apprenticeship instead of college.
This post was edited on 8/9/25 at 9:24 am
Posted on 8/9/25 at 9:14 am to Strannix
That’s not even close to the main point.
Posted on 8/9/25 at 9:17 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Not fit for the work. He should have been a barista.
2nd hardest job in America behind teachers
Posted on 8/9/25 at 9:20 am to Odysseus32
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The company owners are making a killing and the workers are in a race to the bottom.
Culture of who can be the dumbest person on a job site.
Egotistical.
Safety standards ignored.
Education is seen as something to be ridiculed.
Tradespeople have a shorter career on average.
There's so much praise for Tradespeople on here, and I'm sure some people who sing the praises of trades actually are tradespeople, but his experience is more in line with what I saw when I was between 20-23 working at a supply store and delivering to job sites. People on the sites were rude, lacked empathy, sometimes even did shitty work (and word got around), and treated their apprentices like garbage.
I started on the tools. Went from being in guest service management to a helper at a plant at 25 years old. This is correct for the most part. There were a few people who took the time to teach me but for the most part I was treated like shite because I didnt know how to do everything day 1. "College boy" was used like a slur towards me as if it were a bad thing i was pursuing education. A lot of the older journeyman were bitter as frick that they were still turning wrenches and tried to make everybody around them miserable.
This post was edited on 8/9/25 at 9:23 am
Posted on 8/9/25 at 9:22 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
You don’t have to be a babysitter. That’s not at all what I’m talking about or what the person in the video is talking about.
If you’ve ever been on a construction site you’ve seen it first hand. Most of the guys there that have been there a while don’t have the intellectual capacity to remember what it was like to be new while also having the emotional capacity to remember that all the shite they take for granted might literally be the first time some people are seeing it. Instead of making them feel like shite, why not help.
And since most people on this board actually cannot comprehend paragraphs longer than two sentences, I’m not saying that I want them to change their ways. I am saying that if they don’t, capable people who have an IQ of above 100 and have other options will go elsewhere.
I don’t know about you, but I’d like people building houses and fixing wiring to be a little brighter than the average person.
And again, if that makes them a pussy so be it. They don’t care that you, mark, 39, journeyman paying child support thinks that they’re a pussy. You need to understand that they hear you talk and it’s clear that you’re less than them. It’s like dealing with an aggressive dog at that point. Do they want to put up with it? Probably not if they can do anything else.
If you’ve ever been on a construction site you’ve seen it first hand. Most of the guys there that have been there a while don’t have the intellectual capacity to remember what it was like to be new while also having the emotional capacity to remember that all the shite they take for granted might literally be the first time some people are seeing it. Instead of making them feel like shite, why not help.
And since most people on this board actually cannot comprehend paragraphs longer than two sentences, I’m not saying that I want them to change their ways. I am saying that if they don’t, capable people who have an IQ of above 100 and have other options will go elsewhere.
I don’t know about you, but I’d like people building houses and fixing wiring to be a little brighter than the average person.
And again, if that makes them a pussy so be it. They don’t care that you, mark, 39, journeyman paying child support thinks that they’re a pussy. You need to understand that they hear you talk and it’s clear that you’re less than them. It’s like dealing with an aggressive dog at that point. Do they want to put up with it? Probably not if they can do anything else.
This post was edited on 8/9/25 at 9:24 am
Posted on 8/9/25 at 9:25 am to baldona
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Your goal is not to be a plumber for life but to be a plumbing company manager or plumbing company owner.
Wait, you’re saying the goal is to continuously work your way up as opposed to sitting in the same position for 40 years? No way
Posted on 8/9/25 at 9:37 am to Odysseus32
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You don’t have to be a babysitter. That’s not at all what I’m talking about or what the person in the video is talking about.
If you’ve ever been on a construction site you’ve seen it first hand. Most of the guys there that have been there a while don’t have the intellectual capacity to remember what it was like to be new while also having the emotional capacity to remember that all the shite they take for granted might literally be the first time some people are seeing it. Instead of making them feel like shite, why not help.
And since most people on this board actually cannot comprehend paragraphs longer than two sentences, I’m not saying that I want them to change their ways. I am saying that if they don’t, capable people who have an IQ of above 100 and have other options will go elsewhere.
I don’t know about you, but I’d like people building houses and fixing wiring to be a little brighter than the average person.
And again, if that makes them a pussy so be it. They don’t care that you, mark, 39, journeyman paying child support thinks that they’re a pussy. You need to understand that they hear you talk and it’s clear that you’re less than them. It’s like dealing with an aggressive dog at that point. Do they want to put up with it? Probably not if they can do anything else.
Holy bleeding vagina. I guess sending someone for the pipe stretcher or left handed crescent wrench would get you jailed in todays world
Posted on 8/9/25 at 9:41 am to AlextheBodacious
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Should’ve studied more in HS and gone to college
The world needs ditchdiggers
Posted on 8/9/25 at 9:53 am to Odysseus32
Like anything else it boils down to someone actually wanting to be good at their job. But the apprentice makes some good points as well
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