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re: Couple shuts off electricity, uses 0 Kw...gets $115 bill from Entergy

Posted on 7/12/22 at 10:56 am to
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 7/12/22 at 10:56 am to
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Because Entergy sucks and you all know it.


I don't think anyone is saying Entergy is all that great
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36763 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 10:56 am to
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They'll be happy to bury the lines if you are willing to pay for it. It won't even cost you anything over what it costs them.


All of their efforts go into maintaining an outdated model. Yes I get that you can't replace downed lines from a hurricane with burried lines in a reasonable amount of time.

Their grid sucks and they do nothing to improve it, only keep it operational and/or expand it
Posted by Pintail
Member since Nov 2011
12065 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 10:56 am to
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your taxes are paying for police, fire & recuse, and EMS service as we type, have you used them today?


Your taxes also pay for infrastructure and repairs.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
89130 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 10:57 am to
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I gave you multiple examples, you're just protecting your rip off artists.



I couldn't give a frick less about Entergy.
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La and Texas aren't special when dealing with natural disaster.


So name some actual singular events in your area that have the kind of devastation to utility infrastructure. Don't give me the same general nonsense you've said all thread. We both know why you won't.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 10:57 am to
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Their grid sucks and they do nothing to improve it,


Because it's not economically viable if they have to pay for it themselves and consumers aren't willing to foot the bill either.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36763 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 10:57 am to
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Your taxes also pay for infrastructure and repairs.



bingo
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299688 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 10:58 am to
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I couldn't give a frick less about Entergy.


You've spent this entire thread defending them.

You're a marketers dream.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299688 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 10:58 am to
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Your taxes also pay for infrastructure and repairs.


Bingo.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
89130 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 10:59 am to
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You've spent this entire thread defending them.



Not being a retard is me defending them No shock you again have declined giving an actual example.
This post was edited on 7/12/22 at 11:00 am
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 10:59 am to
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Not being a retard is me defending them


Knowing how the system works isn't defending the system.

Roger and crew are retarded in this thread. Par for the course.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33142 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 10:59 am to
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Storm restoration fees should be made illegal.



No - but there should be some accountability. Areas that are common failure points need to be upgraded or redesigned somehow to help improve reliability and ease of repair. That's reasonable and fair.

Seems like we keep rebuilding the same shitty old network that isn't working that well for us even on good days.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 11:01 am to
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Seems like we keep rebuilding the same shitty old network that isn't working that well for us even on good days.


Again, if the consumer is willing to pay for it, I am certain Entergy is happy to do the upgrades.

The fact of the matter is people are choosing to live in an area that isn't really suitable to live in if you have to provide an electric grid. There are storms all the time, the soil sucks, and there's bad erosion. Engineering has found a way to overcome some of these problems, but that comes with a premium.

This post was edited on 7/12/22 at 11:03 am
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36763 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 11:02 am to
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Because it's not economically viable if they have to pay for it themselves and consumers aren't willing to foot the bill either.




potato potahto. what's the difference in raising rates or adding a surcharge for improvements or tacking on fees for storm restoration in perpituity? One will continue to happen, the other will provide more steady service which means more steady billing.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 11:02 am to
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A constant 7pct is not bad.

Also worth thinking about, that's their GAAP bottom line after financial engineering. If it's anything like PG&E, that place is coated in gold. I've done work for power companies and their people work very easy days, drive very nice trucks, and have incredible benefits.

See above comments about a monopoly.


Bingo.

As an example, take health insurance. They tend to operate somewhere in the 3-5% net profit margin range.

A lay observer may assume they are just scraping by, until you look under the hood and see CEO's getting paid 50+ million a year(some of the highest in any industry), 5+ million upper management salaries, a fleet of private jets, bloated administrative costs, reimbursement rates that often are significantly higher than if you have no insurance, and they spend millions on lobbying.

A quick search and Entergy CEO is making 15 million, their upper management 3+ million a year, they have multiple corporate jets, all for a monopolistic utility receiving government subsidies and delivering a largely inelastic good. Louisiana is gonna live and die by how they get regulated given that context, and if the poster above is accurate, the current situation is probably not ideal from a consumer perspective.

Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 11:03 am to
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tacking on fees for storm restoration in perpituity?


They aren't in perpituity
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 11:04 am to
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A quick search and Entergy CEO is making 15 million, their upper management 3+ million a year, they have multiple corporate jets,


None of the passed on fees we are talking about fund those though.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33142 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 11:05 am to
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Engineering has found a way to overcome some of these problems, but that comes with a premium.


Already paying insane rates and fees. Why aren't they going to upgrading the system instead of just constantly repairing the same old garbage?

This is one of the reasons why Entergy isn't trusted as a company. There are massive fees tacked onto bills already - but the service quality just stays horrible.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299688 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 11:05 am to
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Knowing how the system works


Is easy. Subsidies help create the problem. You should read more kiddo.
Utilities are heavily subsidized by both the federal govt and the State. State granted monopolies are inefficient and overpriced.

Paying landowners to produce green energy also contributes.

When you grow up and are paying your own bills this will make more sense.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
89130 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 11:06 am to
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Already paying insane rates and fees. Why aren't they going to upgrading the system instead of just constantly repairing the same old garbage?

This is one of the reasons why Entergy isn't trusted as a company. There are massive fees tacked onto bills already - but the service quality just stays horrible.


So if they start converting everything to underground, you cool with years of $1000 plus bills?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299688 posts
Posted on 7/12/22 at 11:06 am to
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Why aren't they going to upgrading the system instead of just constantly repairing the same old garbage?


Because the money is going to green energy which is inferior. We need plenty of nuclear.

This post was edited on 7/12/22 at 11:07 am
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