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Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
39188 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 9:43 am to
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I have kept my faith


I think at some point you just have to go at it alone. Drop the guise that everything is going to work out and just set out on the journey without ‘a savior’. You know, as much as people talk that talk I’m not sure it’s ever worked out for anyone. Just my opinion.
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
73183 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:10 am to
Ultimately life is about learning lessons and growing spiritually. Life experiences aren’t really good or bad they just are what they are. There is no external savior. It’s a disempowering myth of religion. But you can look within and figure yourself out and that’s when you get aligned with flow/God/the Universe. At that point life starts to click more smoothly. Doesn’t mean that future events won’t be challenging. Esoteric Christianity and Buddhism fundamentally teach the same thing. People get lost in the dogma.
Posted by ZeekFreak
Member since Jun 2017
583 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:12 am to
don't isolate but surround yourself by positive people who truly want what's best for you whether that's family, friends, counseling, etc.

you have to share those feelings/thoughts again with the right people or professionals. Set small goals day to day and credit yourself for those wins!
Posted by Sheep
Neither here nor there
Member since Jun 2007
19564 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:14 am to
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Could use some prayers or advice


If you're going through hell, keep going. - Winston Churchill
Posted by Rabby
Member since Mar 2021
600 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 2:35 pm to
I will pray for your well being and discernment.
However, it is hard to give meaningful advice without some idea of specifics. I hope that this is not the situation for others who are trying to help and guide you. Sometimes, you need to share in order to receive - although maybe not in such a public forum.
I had some troubling times and read the book of Job and then went through some of the Psalms and then several of Paul's letters. Sometimes, we are just put through struggles and even though we see no point, there is light at the end.
God is good and everything is for a reason - even if we do not see that reason.
Maybe, particularly if we do not see the reason.
Posted by RedlandsTiger
Greenwell Springs, LA
Member since Jan 2008
2950 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 2:38 pm to
Prayers sent for better times.
Posted by CatsGoneWild
Pigeon forge, Tennessee
Member since Jan 2008
13435 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 2:55 pm to
I thank everyone for the advice and prayers. I really do! I've been reading everyone's posts. I want to tell some of the things I've been going through, but also feel that I shouldn't share my personal struggles to thousands of people. Kinda conflicted
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
73183 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 2:59 pm to
Everyone is important and I think everyone has what it takes to transcend the difficulties of life. This has been a challenging year for me also. Just have to try and live in the moment and try to make the best decisions that you can. One day at a time. Every experience is an opportunity for growth. Hang in there!
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 3:02 pm to
Work. Do as much physical work as you can find. Paint a house, build a fence, dig a ditch, ect.

Volunteer--food bank, Salvation Army or something like that.

All of those will result in accomplishments that will help you find purpose and give you a little pride.

Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
4540 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 3:05 pm to
Just be vague and dont give away anything that will dox yourself.

I promise you the struggles you want to share are already had by many on here.

Posted by Thracken13
Aft Cargo Hold of Serenity
Member since Feb 2010
16209 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 3:10 pm to
I am by far no expert my friend, and I have had some really bad times in my life - almost died a couple times, cheated on by Fiancé which led to a bankruptcy. had a few years of really dark times, contemplated suicide a few times, and began to drink heavily.

all I can say is after the dark times, life got a little better and i found a little happiness, and then met my wife - and we will be celebrating 10 years marriage next week. it may seem like hollow words, but take it from someone with experience in really low areas mentally - it will get better. will it get to be easy from then on, absolutely not - but you will find the bad times aren't too bad, and it is more good than bad.

all the best
Posted by Death Before Disco
Member since Dec 2009
6224 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 3:19 pm to
Too often when you hit a series of disappointments or failures, we become some focused on the negative that we lose sight of the positive. Then sometimes we can spiral, by focusing only on the negative, all we can see is negative.

Try to find the positive. Try to focus not on what you don't have, but on what you do have. Try to be grateful, even for the smallest things, in spite of the negatives.

Then begin taking small steps to improve your life. You don't need to lay out a big plan or make yourself a bunch of promises you can't keep. Just pick on thing, and do it.

Start taking a 20 minute walk every day. Or spend 20 minutes meditating (or praying) everyday. Or spend 20 minutes doing some light stretching or yoga. Or take 20 minutes and put on some soothing music and just sit outside and soak in a little sun. Or spend 20 minutes listening to an inspirational or religious podcast.

Just pick one of those things, and start doing it every day. After you've done it for a week, congratulate yourself on a success. You have taken a single step to start improving your life.

Then take another small step. This thread is full of suggestions. Pick any one of them. Just something small you can do daily or weekly to make you life better. If you aren't eating well, replace one meal with a healthier option. Doesn't have to be the healthiest option ever. Just replace the french fries with some veggies or some fruit. Once a day. One small step.

After a week of that. Take another small step.

If you are facing an insurmountable obstacle in your life, don't try to fix it. Don't try to conquer it all at once. Pick one very small piece of it, and try to make a little progress on it. Even if all you do is make a single phone call, or send a single email, or spend 10 minutes doing some research. Just take a little bit of action, and start trying to get a little momentum moving forward.

Sending prayers your way.


Posted by td1
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
2854 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 3:36 pm to
Prayers sent.

Remember, he will never give you more than you can handle.

Life is a journey, and parts of that journey suck really bad, but in the end it’s the suckie parts that make the good parts so good.

As was said before, everyone goes through some level of shite. I don’t know your level of shite, but I know mine and everyone else I knows level of shite helped make them better happier people in the end. Take it one day at a time.
Posted by idlewatcher
County Jail
Member since Jan 2012
79650 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 3:38 pm to
Keep your head up friend

Any update to your situation? Your OP was kinda vague
Posted by TulaneLSU
Member since Aug 2003
Member since Dec 2007
13298 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 4:05 pm to
Friend,

How happy I was to read your update. Know that we have been praying for you throughout the day.

Sincerely,
TulaneLSU
Posted by jambrous
Member since Jun 2010
491 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 5:14 pm to
Brother, God knows exactly what you're going through. He knows what's best for you and just because it doesn't seem like it, he's walking with you each step of your struggle. It just might be that in order to give you the blessing of what you're praying for you need to go through this to receive it. Whatever he has planned for your future, keep trusting that he is allowing this to happen. He might just be seeing if you truly have trust completely in him, that no fear can conquer our God. He will raise you up when it's your time! Someday someone is going to hear of your testimony, maybe your trials are to save another down the road. Keep your faith and know that this isn't rock bottom, your faith is what is keeping you from ever getting there. We serve a glorious father who works on his time for GOOD. When you're on the other side of this season you will find that the cross you had to bear wasn't as bad as it seemed! Good luck to you and God Bless you!
Posted by epbart
new york city
Member since Mar 2005
2931 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 2:20 am to
As I mentioned last night, your OP sparked a chain of thoughts in my mind. I don't know if you will find it helpful, but in case you might, I'm happy to share in case you revisit this thread and don't mind slogging through my thoughts. You did ask for prayers or advice. Regrettably, I believe I need to be long-winded. If I simply say you need to realize you should feel your pain but understand you are not your pain right now without context (there's your TLDR summary if you prefer to not read through), I think it's more likely than not you'll hear me, perhaps have a flicker of recognition of the truth in this, then move on without fully digesting it.

Disclaimer: I'm not a doctor, a psychologist or priest & this isn't medical or professional advice. It's just a series of thoughts that arose in my mind in response to reading your post... I do, though, hope you and/or others find food for thought in my reply.
quote:

The last 3 years have been a nightmare for me. I have had nothing go my way. I've lost about everything and keep getting hurt over and over. Every time I feel like life might turn around, I get ran over by something else. I have kept my faith, but don't even know if I'm loved or cared about. I pray all day every day and don't get anywhere. Lately I'm either crying myself to sleep or just numb. I'm starting to be angry to the ones I love and co workers and can't stop myself from doing so. I tried counseling and it didnt work. If I wasn't a Christian, I honestly dont think I would be here right now.

Notice what I bolded in your OP and hold that thought.

This thread is more about psychology than anything else, but I want to draw on the parable of the rich young man / young ruler to explain a couple of ideas. As a Christian, perhaps this will help keep your faith steady. I'm linking both the Matthew & Luke versions as there are differences and each one supports my arguments in different places.
Matthew 19:16-22
Luke 18:18-23
If you read the links, you may already see some of the connection I'd like to make, but it's not explicit. It is interesting (to me anyway) that some truths in the Bible tend to be rather hidden / occulted so that you have to think about it and return later for fuller meaning to reveal itself. The very fact that we cannot know Jesus' words and life directly (he never wrote his own gospel), but have to approach what he said through the lens of Matthew, Luke, etc., is an interesting parallel to Platonic thought, whereby we have to strive towards the perfect through the imperfect. The differences in the versions of the parable are a good example of this... but I digress.

In any case, to make sense of this parable and it's relevance to you, consider the Buddha for a moment. Buddhism often explains concepts like suffering rather explicitly in contrast to parables in which truth is discretely layered. The story goes that as he sat under a tree meditating, the process of becoming enlightened was achieved simultaneously with and perhaps because he overcame all worldly desire. He went on to state in the first of his Four Noble Truths that pain and suffering were intrinsically a part of our temporal, transitory lives; sometimes due to natural factors like growing, aging, and sickness, but also sometimes due to not gaining our desires and to perceptions about our mental constructs by which we live. (This is a rough & incomplete paraphrasing; I welcome anyone to refine or correct what I wrote.)

Apply this to the parable now. The young man didn't experience suffering as a result of being rich. He led a nearly perfect, admirable, noble life, honoring his father & mother and living up to the words of the commandments to the point he had no qualms stating so to Jesus' face (something perhaps none of us could truthfully do). Since Jesus didn't call him out as a liar, his claim seems true. It wasn't until he asked Jesus if there was anything else he lacked that Jesus told him to sell his possessions and follow him in the Matthew version (footnote 1). This-- the gap between what he wanted and what he had to give up to get what he wanted-- became his source of suffering once he understood. It was a mental realization and then an emotional response.

The more deeply you understand the above, the more you empower yourself to work through your issues. While others in this thread think you haven't shared enough detail, I think you've shared plenty. I bolded it above. The specifics-- whether you lost your job, your wife, your house, etc.-- are the details of the pattern of loss and suffering and don't matter as much as the pattern itself or that after enduring successive waves of loss, you feel you've lost many things by which you defined yourself.

You should write out every disappointment on paper, including what your expectations were, what happened, what you think went wrong, and what you think you can learn from it. This process in itself may prove cathartic. But there is another idea I want to discuss that I think may help you.

Are you familiar with negative theology? (also known as "via negativa" in Latin / "apophis" in Greek / or "neti neti" (not this not that) in Hindu) It's a way of understanding God by understanding what God is not. I won't explain it in depth as I don't want to make this post religious, but I want you to understand that some people-- including at least one psychologist I remember listening to on a podcast many years ago-- have found this approach a useful thought exercise in helping people let go of issues.

In practice, it's often a somewhat meditative act of sitting or laying down and stating a series of statements of negation, like: I am not my body. I am not my job. I am not my credit score. I am not a victim of __. I am not my feeling of __. And so on. This can help release you from the mental constructs and ideas that are causing your misery and constraining you from living. Btw, did you notice this process in either version of the parable above? Reread the first two lines of the Luke version where the young man greets Jesus as "good teacher", to which Jesus rejects the label of "good", ascribing that to God alone. That is an act of negation, and in some ways explains why Jesus could state his yoke was easy and burden was light.

Others in the thread have given some decent advice to work out or take up some other activity to engage your mind and body in a way that redirects you. This isn't wrong and it may slowly but surely help, but it can be like randomly casting seeds in a garden without a plan. It is passive in a way, seeking to avoid the cause of pain by distraction and new habits-- sort of like rushing to apply a new coat of paint over something without sanding and priming it first. Maybe you can get away with it, but the facade will not be as strong as it could be. It would, though, still be an improvement over ruminating about things which perhaps no longer exist; over thoughts that have no vitality. One way or another you have to let go of the things which are keeping you in misery if you want to move on with life. While the rich boy needed to let go of his wealth, the possessions you need to let go of are your thoughts. There's a time for grieving, but if this has been going on for 3 years, you are letting your thoughts passively dictate your emotions.

to be continued...
Posted by epbart
new york city
Member since Mar 2005
2931 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 2:26 am to
continued...

Assuming you made a list of what has caused you grief, instead of just ruminating and crying yourself to sleep at night, be ready to actively engage your list. Try negating each thing in a variety of ways to see how each attempt influences your thoughts and feelings. If it's something work related, perhaps try, "I am not my career", followed by, "I am not defined by this role", or whatever seems more applicable. If a divorce is at the heart of this, perhaps explore ideas like, "I am not defined by my prior relationship." Just keep the tone neutral (you're not trying to falsely pump yourself up with positive affirmations that you probably don't believe anyway; that will fail like a New Years resolution) and give yourself a minute to consider how each statement makes you feel and if it leads to new thoughts before attempting a new angle. You're just trying to create some space between you and your thoughts. If you're still in a dispute with an ex, just be careful. You may need to dig deep to come up with articulating how you aren't your dispute with your ex, and while you won't get taken advantage of, you aren't her enemy either and wish peace for both of you.

The above should help you detach at least a little bit from the tyranny of your current thoughts. This should free your mind up to begin seeing the world around you in new ways, which in turn might allow for more genuine interests to develop. The old thoughts and feelings will still arise in the short term. And while I recommend detaching from your thoughts, the opposite is true for feelings. Feelings are often more real than the thoughts that spawn them. If you feel anger, don't deny it (unless you're at work and have to rein it in for a meeting). Assuming you're at home, just shift focus away from the thought that caused it. Focus on the anger itself. Does it feel like it's more in your head, or is it like a deep insult that rises out of your gut / heart? Don't bottle feelings up. Let them be, analyze them and let them run their course.

Lastly, I may have misunderstood you here, but it sounds to me like your prayers are pleading for help in some way. If so, that is not ideal. That is more stating your wishes to God from a position of desperation. While the New Thought movement became a bit trite and new-agey with books like The Secret, there is a grain of truth to some of it-- like the concept that the feeling is the prayer, which is extrapolated from when Jesus said you can move a mountain if you believe it in your heart (feel it). Try to pray with humble openness, asking for help with your flaws, but with devoted resolve to allow God to work through you and lead you; and be open to listening to your intuition as you pray.

Well, while I didn't set out to write a novel, I did feel compelled to try and answer you thoroughly as I just attempted to do. Regrettably, I think I lost a couple of the more interesting strands of thought that inspired me last night, and this ended up taking a slightly different direction. So be it. I benefitted from writing this. I'll still be happy if you or anyone else gains anything from reading this, and happier still if tomorrow, it ends up applying to you less than it did today or the day before. Be well.

Footnote 1: I ended up using the Matthew & Luke versions of the parable, but it is also in Mark 10. I hadn't looked at the parable of the rich young man in a long time until your post called it to mind and caused me to look at both the Matthew and Luke versions side by side. It was only in the process of writing this that the discrepancies or different emphasis occured to me. I already wrote what I had to say. I think the Matthew version is more appropriate for illustrating a sense of progression in the young man. He's checking off the boxes of right behavior as he grows, but he has to ask Jesus what is next. Then it becomes appropriate for Jesus to tell him where he falls short if he wants to level up. The version in Mark, though, is an intriguing compromise by having Jesus love him for growing up as he did.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
16129 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 5:05 am to
Look up Shad Helmstetter.

I have struggled with negative thought patterns.

His writings can help you rewire your brain to be more positive.

Keep your faith.
Make a new friend.
Stay away from drugs and alcohol.
Improve your fitness.
Help someone else.

You are here for a purpose. You are important. You are part of God’s plan.
Don’t give up.
Somebody needs you.

“You are good enough, and smart enough, and doggone it, people like you.”

Hang in there.
This post was edited on 9/27/23 at 5:06 am
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
66256 posts
Posted on 9/27/23 at 5:58 am to
Keep pushing.

Concentrate on fixing the physical you some every day.

Every day, no days off. You’re worth it.

The other parts of you will follow.

One foot in front of the other.

Every day.



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