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re: Could the South have won the Civil War with 100 AK-47s?

Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:17 am to
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:17 am to
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They weren’t winning regardless

LOL.

The South had superior leadership (at least until Grant took command of the Union Army). If they had had maybe just an equal amount of men and more support, they probably would have won. Morale was never an issue
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:18 am to
A lead miniball from a musket isn't doing anything to an apache. There would never be any reason for it to be in range, and never any reason for it to fly in the daylight except to show the enemy what was raping them every night.

Basically any kind of night vision on one side makes this grossly unfair for the enemy. An apache would have the whole enemy of that time, regardless of who or where, on skids after 2 or 3 nights. It would be insurmountable and would win the war before any kind of effective defense could be cooked up.

You'd have to field a giant shotgun, and it'd never get to see the field.
Posted by OweO
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:18 am to
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They did


Better ones
Posted by scottydoesntknow
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:20 am to
With a means to make ammunition for them, absolutely
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:22 am to
Now what if they have 100 AKs but the union gets to have NVGs
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:22 am to
I don't think that's how I'd do it. I think I'd have one rifle with 5 to 10 men assigned to it, mainly to protect it and keep it in the fight. Use it to overwhelm the softest targets I could find. Let word get out that we've fielded a super weapon. The go gurilla with them as you stated.

I can't think of a way you insert them into any late war battle and appreciably change the outcome. Artillery is too much of a problem.
Posted by HeadCall
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:22 am to
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Now what if they have 100 AKs but the union gets to have NVGs


Easy. Refuse to engage at night
Posted by barbapapa
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:23 am to
Feel like the Apache could fly night missions and repeatedly eliminate leadership or supply caches
Posted by HeadSlash
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:27 am to
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A few modern small arms wouldn't have changed that.


Flamethrowers and bazookas?
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:27 am to
It would skullfrick everything. There's no maintaining discipline or order once word gets out that there's some kind of mechanical dragon monster thing flying around every night and anihillating everything and yelling "LINCON SURRENDER NOW OR I WILL LEVEL YOUR CITIES AND EVERYONE DIES"

Its not a fun hypothetical. Modern warship is a little more fun, since it's confined to deep navigable channels and troops could hide from it. It just neutralizes any Naval blockade OR covers a coastal advance, but it can't do both.
Posted by jizzle6609
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:28 am to
How many clips?

How much ammo?

If you had soldiers with wheelbarrows of already loaded magazines and your 10 best gunners manning the AK man it would be bad.
This post was edited on 2/24/25 at 8:30 am
Posted by Geauxldilocks
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:30 am to
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So no, 100 AKs likely wouldn't have helped.


Not so sure. The psychological damage to the union going up against at the time undiscovered technology is hard to calculate. It’s not like the Union troops had Japanese suicidal as badge of honor built in.
Posted by BuckeyeWarrior
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:31 am to
The best and longest known military strategy is that the side who is willing to have the most attrition will be the one who will most likely win. The Ukraine war is a prime example.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:31 am to
Maybe just for the psychological aspect?

The south would have needed a means to dominate a trench war. That basically means far better artillery or tanks. I just dont see a single small arm doing it unless distributed en masse. Like I said earlier, I don't think 100 MG42's even does it.

Maybe if they had them at the outset, but not late in the war. After the blockade it was very much over.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:34 am to
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The psychological damage to the union going up against at the time undiscovered technology is hard to calculate.


I think it would have to be dramatic. They did have repeating rifles and word was out about gattling guns. I just dont see 100 AKs being that dramatic of a scare.
Posted by antibarner
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:38 am to
A couple of M30 mortar batteries with well trained crews and spotters at Gettysburg and Pickett isnt facing canister.

Probably not much of anything
This post was edited on 2/24/25 at 8:46 am
Posted by BigBinBR
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:41 am to
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It would skullfrick everything. There's no maintaining discipline or order once word gets out that there's some kind of mechanical dragon monster thing flying around every night and anihillating everything and yelling "LINCON SURRENDER NOW OR I WILL LEVEL YOUR CITIES AND EVERYONE DIES"


Yeah, once it is in the air there is no weapon that could take it out. It would pretty much only be venerable on the ground when resupplying.
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Modern warship is a little more fun, since it's confined to deep navigable channels and troops could hide from it. It just neutralizes any Naval blockade OR covers a coastal advance, but it can't do both.


I think even a modern warship is a little unfair with regards to open water. The union's navy would likely have an advantage inland like on the Mississippi as the river wasn't deep like it is now so it might not be as navigable by a large ship (The Cairo's draft was only about 6').

What might be more interesting is if 100 bay boats/center consoles with confederate troops could capture/sabotage the Union ships and effectively take out the Union Navy.

This post was edited on 2/24/25 at 8:47 am
Posted by BayouBlitz
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:42 am to
Laser guns ftw
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:43 am to
100 semi tractor trailers with unlimited diesel would have made a bigger difference.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 8:43 am to
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The south would have needed a means to dominate a trench war. That basically means far better artillery or tanks.


And machine guns.

But, I also assume the North would have had these things too.
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