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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***

Posted on 3/22/20 at 2:51 pm to
Posted by Unknown_Poster
Member since Jun 2013
5758 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 2:51 pm to
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So, yes, my freedoms are being restricted (regulated).


By that logic, your "freedoms" are constantly restricted regardless of an active pandemic. You cannot drive 100 MPH down a highway. You cannot walk around naked in public. Your ability to carry firearms in certain places is also restricted.

Laws like these have been in place forever. They are all constitutional.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78461 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 2:54 pm to
Are you saying that the freedom of associate has not been restricted due to these orders?

Nothing has changed on that front in the last month is what you are stating.

I'm not arguing legality or constitutionality, Im asking has there been limitations.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 2:56 pm
Posted by Jason9782003
Member since Aug 2007
3737 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 2:56 pm to
Coronavirus Update (Live)

Earlier they had USA +14,### new cases today. Most of them i New York. Now, they are showing 8,149. Are they fudging numbers to not panic people? Or was this just a correction?
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
16880 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 2:57 pm to
The founders offered platitudes concerning inherent human rights but the fact of the matter remains we only truly have the rights that the state chooses to let us have. One visit to a Japanese internment camp would have made that abundantly clear.
Posted by Unknown_Poster
Member since Jun 2013
5758 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 2:58 pm to
Your argument is purely semantics. Dojowhathisname was saying the government was taking away freedoms. The reality is the government has always had the ability to regulate a wide variety of what people perceive to be unlimited "freedoms." And none of that is attributed to a police state theory or government overreach. Unless one thinks having a republican form of government is in-and-of-itself governmental overreach.

What am I saying ultimately? The nation is facing a crisis. Calm down. It will pass. There is no nefarious intent.
Posted by Zilla
Member since Jul 2005
10653 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 3:02 pm to
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Are they fudging numbers to not panic people?


Not sure why people keep saying this, isn't the gov. WANTING people to start to panic in order to quarantine, etc ?
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78461 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 3:03 pm to
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What am I saying ultimately? The nation is facing a crisis. Calm down. It will pass. There is no nefarious intent


Agreed.

They are removing freedoms all the same. No one stated that the freedoms wouldn't be returned.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21764 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 3:06 pm to
Thought this might useful for some to see and compare. Its just an excel spreadsheet I made using numbers from worldometer since March 1st.



Trend 1 was just an interpolation of the deaths from 3/3-3/17, and then trend 2 was just an extrapolation going forward after deaths spiked for 3/17-3/20. These trends arent based on any single health assumption just the current trend based on current data from worldometer.

Please note I am not projecting the trends to come true, simply saying if current trends continue, these are the numbers. to expect.
Posted by MarcusQuinn
Member since Aug 2005
582 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 3:16 pm to
Two things could alter those trends substantially. More tests, at some point, will mean more recorded asymtomatic and mild cases. The rate of new infections now is likely from before social distancing measures. I’d expect positives cases to spike and deaths to begin to flatten or, possibly, trend down. Doesn’t mean it will happen, but I’m going to hold on to that until it’s proven otherwise.

Thanks for making this graph.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21764 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 3:21 pm to
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More tests, at some point, will mean more recorded asymtomatic and mild cases.


It might be just be a blip in the data, but you can already see a small spike in new cases versus deaths staying at the same rate. Like you said it remains to be seen if that continues.

quote:

Thanks for making this graph.


It helps me put things in perspective by making a big spreadsheet rather than buying into someone elses opinion with or without all the facts.
Posted by Niner
Member since Apr 2019
2033 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 3:24 pm to
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making out with people attending family events

My family events are very different than yours apparently.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20975 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 3:40 pm to
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making out with people attending family events


[insert Alabama incest joke here]
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88021 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 4:24 pm to
Those type of exponential scales make things seem much worse than they are. We are not that close to Italy in any Respect.
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 4:28 pm to
We need cases to go through the entire process before a blanket statement like that can be made. 6 days ago the US had 4000 cases and we're over 30000 now. Those 26000 cases need to get through the process. I don't believe we'll get to Italy levels but you can't make any assertions yet. Great Britain had a very low rate and now they're pushing 5%.

ETA: There are statements from doctors all over the world that once a patient goes on a ventilator they don't come off. The ventilators are not being freed up for the new patients that need them.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 4:33 pm
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
40230 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 4:31 pm to
Someone: can I please freak out now??? This is fricking bizarro world and I’ll almost starting to think the world is ending. Y’all call me crazy I don’t care.

How is this shite even going to end?? Lock down. Ok — when I’m out if I’m positive I’ll infect someone and it’ll start all over again.

I’m about to drink myself into oblivion.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 4:33 pm
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88021 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 4:32 pm to
Please. There have been posts almost daily saying that we are on Italy’s trend just a week behind... just a week behind... that was two weeks ago. The first recorded case in the US was mid January. We’ve never been on their trajectory.
Posted by Bullfrog
Running Through the Wet Grass
Member since Jul 2010
61220 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 4:32 pm to
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I’m about to drink myself into oblivion.
One of your best posts. To date.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21764 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 4:33 pm to
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We are not that close to Italy in any Respect.


Do you believe we will overtake Italy with number of confirmed cases?
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 4:34 pm
Posted by Bullfrog
Running Through the Wet Grass
Member since Jul 2010
61220 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 4:33 pm to
Easily.
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 4:34 pm to
If 4000 to 32000 in 6 days isn't concerning to you I don't know what to tell you. No offense. Look at the deaths in two weeks when the 28000 new cases have gone through the entire process. I hope they're all recovered.
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