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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***
Posted on 2/22/20 at 5:20 pm to Malik Agar
Posted on 2/22/20 at 5:20 pm to Malik Agar
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on the anecdotal news/Twitter stories of middle aged and younger people dying from it such as the whistleblower doctor.
Which has not happened outside of China... So I’d hold the phone.
And if the stories posted in this thread the last 10 pages are true, that people are getting the virus and fighting it off with 0 symptoms, then that will take the mortality rate and plummet it, with it potentially getting down to around the common flu.
Then all we have is a virus that for some reason kicked Chinas arse, but didn’t have the same impact outside.
The pockets of it popping up in other places now would lead one to believe that its in most countries around the world now, people just haven’t been diagnosed.
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 5:30 pm to rds dc
Italy preparing to take what they are call "unprecedented" measures because of the rapid spread in northern areas. Reports that Israel is only letting citizens get off incoming flights and is considering shutting down ALL travel into the country.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 5:43 pm to rds dc
Per BNO Italy is placing 11 cities (50,000 people) on lock down. People will not be allowed to enter or leave and anyone violating this will be a charged with a criminal offense.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 6:04 pm to Burhead
Anyone who thinks this is a common virus is out of their mind. Italy now putting cities on lock down. All these people claiming that other countries are not experiencing problems don't understand how out breaks begin. This genie is out the bottle and the only thing between us and China is air and opportunity. It is just beginning its spread. If heat can stop it, which hasn't been proven, summer can't get here soon enough. But this thing will get here sooner or later.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 6:13 pm to rickyh
LINK
United States is prepared for school and business closures in the case of coronavirus pandemic.
By Julie Steenhuysen and Andrew Hay
(Reuters) - U.S. health officials on Friday said they are preparing for the possibility of the spread of the new coronavirus through U.S. communities that would force closures of schools and businesses.
The United States has yet to see community spread of the virus that emerged in central China in late December. But health authorities are preparing medical personnel for the risk, Nancy Messonnier, an official with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) told reporters on a conference call.
United States is prepared for school and business closures in the case of coronavirus pandemic.
By Julie Steenhuysen and Andrew Hay
(Reuters) - U.S. health officials on Friday said they are preparing for the possibility of the spread of the new coronavirus through U.S. communities that would force closures of schools and businesses.
The United States has yet to see community spread of the virus that emerged in central China in late December. But health authorities are preparing medical personnel for the risk, Nancy Messonnier, an official with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) told reporters on a conference call.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 6:28 pm to rickyh
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All these people claiming that other countries are not experiencing problems don't understand how out breaks begin. This genie is out the bottle and the only thing between us and China is air and opportunity. It is just beginning its spread.
SG has had it for over a month now and not a single death, Hong Kong for longer and 2 deaths, one elderly and one with pre-existing conditions. South Korea has over 400 cases and 2 deaths, the ship in japan has over 600 cases and 2 deaths.
Could it spread, of course and it will... But the death percentages outside of China, aside from Iran and whatever the hell is going on there don’t even come close to mirroring mainland China.
Countries should take precautions like they are to limit the impact, but at the end of the day, whatever they do isn’t going to stop it. However, I’m not going to waste time worrying and flipping out about the unknown. I don’t go year to year worrying about the flu and I’m not going to about this until something imminent happens.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 6:47 pm to Lsut81
10% of the first responders stay home and there will be absolute progressive chaos. After Katrina a lot of studies were done and the number seems to be 10%.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 6:54 pm to Dominate308
I think SK new cases yesterday 90+ was from the hospital. I hope medical workers are not infected since that will be a double whammy.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:19 pm to rds dc
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BREAKING: South Korea reports 95 new cases of coronavirus, raising country's total to 556
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:29 pm to rds dc
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BREAKING: South Korea reports 95 new cases of coronavirus, raising country's total to 556
That's in addition to 28 previously reported so a 123 cases today plus 2 deaths. One was a man in his early 40s.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:29 pm to Volvagia
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The time frame in the head line was based on endemic human coronavirus, NOT the novel one this thread is about.
Yes but you are making a claim that it can’t live that long on surfaces, and the data shows that some of the similar strains can live a long time on surfaces.
It seems like the reasonable claim is that we don’t know, and it might be possible that it can survive on surfaces longer.
The other quote about a certain amount of exposure to actually get it raises a good point as well... but it seems to be so fast moving I don’t know that I would say there is much certainty on that front.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:34 pm to Lsut81
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SG has had it for over a month now and not a single death, Hong Kong for longer and 2 deaths, one elderly and one with pre-existing conditions. South Korea has over 400 cases and 2 deaths, the ship in japan has over 600 cases and 2 deaths.
It doesn’t work like that for looking at current cases - many of which have occurred in the last week - and mortality. It is a lagging indicator. From the current 600 cases in Japan it will be a month before we know the mortality rate of those cases.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:42 pm to Lsut81
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SG has had it for over a month now and not a single death, Hong Kong for longer and 2 deaths, one elderly and one with pre-existing conditions. South Korea has over 400 cases and 2 deaths, the ship in japan has over 600 cases and 2 deaths
It is curious that cases have just been coming in a few here and a few there in SG & HK. However, we are seeing explosive growth in other areas. I haven't seen anything scientifically proven but there is speculation that a new strain has emerged.
ETA: it could also be differences in case definition
This post was edited on 2/22/20 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:45 pm to CivilTiger83
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Yes but you are making a claim that it can’t live that long on surfaces, and the data shows that some of the similar strains can live a long time on surfaces.
It seems like the reasonable claim is that we don’t know, and it might be possible that it can survive on surfaces longer.
Which is literally what I said in my post:
That I was incorrect on how strict the time scale was in spite of being enveloped.
And to take their numbers with a big toss of salt because of the variability of the various strains and the lack of direct testing/controls of practical impact.
We don’t need people running around claiming that the virus lives on surfaces for 9 days based on that news article.
Just that it “could”
This post was edited on 2/22/20 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:46 pm to rickyh
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Anyone who thinks this is a common virus is out of their mind. Italy now putting cities on lock down.
The lockdowns are designed to slow the spread, not stop it. The most dangerous aspect of a virus like this is its ability to overwhelm the healthcare system with rapid spread. That turns easily saved patients into dead patients.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 7:56 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Ding ding.
My guess that it’s because they lost case tracing control so they are trying to get ahead of it.
I do not think it will make more than a couple of days difference however at this point. And this applies to the US as well. There are uncontained outbreaks in too many countries to think quarantine procedures can get ahead of it fully.
Governments would be better served attempting to coordinate with local pharma to start a production line of at least one of the antivirals proven effective/stockpiling it from the market.
My guess that it’s because they lost case tracing control so they are trying to get ahead of it.
I do not think it will make more than a couple of days difference however at this point. And this applies to the US as well. There are uncontained outbreaks in too many countries to think quarantine procedures can get ahead of it fully.
Governments would be better served attempting to coordinate with local pharma to start a production line of at least one of the antivirals proven effective/stockpiling it from the market.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 8:02 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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The most dangerous aspect of a virus like this is its ability to overwhelm the healthcare system with rapid spread. That turns easily saved patients into dead patients.
Or healthcare workers into patients.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 9:04 pm to PeteRose
I think this thing takes out a huge chunk of the global population before all is said and done. We are talking a global 50% depopulation scenario.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 9:08 pm to rds dc
2 more deaths in South Korea.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 9:16 pm to Volvagia
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Governments would be better served attempting to coordinate with local pharma to start a production line of at least one of the antivirals proven effective/stockpiling it from the market.
This would freak people out if made public.
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