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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***
Posted on 2/12/20 at 6:00 pm to GeauxTigers2020
Posted on 2/12/20 at 6:00 pm to GeauxTigers2020
The deaths are obviously alarming, but I need to know more about the confirmed case definition change. Is it just including mild/asymptomatic cases now?
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Posted on 2/12/20 at 6:06 pm to GeauxTigers2020
Finally! Now we are getting somewhere
Posted on 2/12/20 at 6:09 pm to CarolinaGamecock99
Removing asymptomatic people and ALSO revising the death total downward.
From the NYT LINK
Some pencil pusher is going to earn an extra star on his annual review for this one.
From the NYT LINK
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The changes to the classification of asymptomatic coronavirus cases emerged on Jan. 29, in a set of guidance from China’s National Health Commission. The agency said that it would no longer count patients who had tested positive for the coronavirus but did not display symptoms as “confirmed cases.” Instead, those patients would be counted separately, as “positive diagnosis” patients, and would become confirmed only if they began showing symptoms.
Chinese health officials have given little public justification for the labeling change. The National Health Commission did not immediately return a request for comment. Reached by phone, Wu Zunyou, the chief epidemiologist of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, directed inquiries to the health commission’s news office.
Some pencil pusher is going to earn an extra star on his annual review for this one.
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Heilongjiang’s officials were not the only ones to shift their tallies of confirmed cases. Hangzhou, a city in eastern China, reduced its count by 12 on Sunday because the patients did not live there. Hubei, the province at the heart of the outbreak, recently reduced its confirmed case number by 87 with little explanation.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 6:11 pm to GeauxTigers2020
15k infections is pretty incredible. Any insight into why that high
Posted on 2/12/20 at 6:12 pm to joshnorris14
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@BNODesk The reason for the sharp increase is because Hubei province is now including clinically diagnosed cases in the number of confirmed cases. This means those cases are not laboratory confirmed. They say other provinces are doing the same.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 6:16 pm to Malik Agar
@BNODesk
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On Tuesday, Hubei province reported the lowest number of new cases in quite a while, but using the new criteria, they actually had 6,528 new cases on Tuesday, not 1,638
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On Tuesday, Hubei province reported the lowest number of new cases in quite a while, but using the new criteria, they actually had 6,528 new cases on Tuesday, not 1,638
Posted on 2/12/20 at 6:17 pm to Malik Agar
So basically moving the suspected cases to the confirmed column.
The death total is the interesting thing. Is it a one time adjustment or the new norm based on the diagnostic criteria? And have they been drastically under reporting deaths so far?
The death total is the interesting thing. Is it a one time adjustment or the new norm based on the diagnostic criteria? And have they been drastically under reporting deaths so far?
This post was edited on 2/12/20 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 2/12/20 at 6:20 pm to Poker_hog
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The death total is the interesting thing.
I agree from the perspective of, ok, I get it if you dont want to throw people in the count if they havent tested positive. But the people that die are another thing all together. especially when its such a high % of the total deaths
Posted on 2/12/20 at 6:23 pm to Poker_hog
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So basically moving the suspected cases to the confirmed column.
The death total is the interesting thing. Is it a a one time adjustment or the new norm based on the diagnostic criteria? And have they been drastically under reporting deaths so far?
The death counts had been going up lately. On the 10th we broke 100+ deaths for the first time.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 6:41 pm to Burhead
My personal prediction is that when all is said and done, 2% of China will die from this
Posted on 2/12/20 at 6:45 pm to Burhead
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The death counts had been going up lately. On the 10th we broke 100+ deaths for the first time.
And still only two outside of mainland China (HK and PH)
Posted on 2/12/20 at 6:47 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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My personal prediction is that when all is said and done, 2% of China will die from this
So 27 million dead?
Posted on 2/12/20 at 6:50 pm to Lsut81
Yes
I just don’t trust a thing from a Commie nation
I just don’t trust a thing from a Commie nation
Posted on 2/12/20 at 6:52 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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My personal prediction is that when all is said and done, 2% of China will die from this
It's impossible to make an informed prediction from this mess of data. Obviously China is playing games with the numbers, and I wouldn't rule out that there's an element of global economic strategy involved. With massive debt loads and widespread central bank debt monetization, governments and their underlying power brokers are trying to position for the more chaotic phase to come.
We're in an economic cold war IMO, with the attendant fog of war included. Every datapoint, everywhere, that impacts the perception of economic outlook is suspect.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 6:54 pm to real turf fan
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The agency said that it would no longer count patients who had tested positive for the coronavirus but did not display symptoms as “confirmed cases.”
That’s like getting a positive pregnancy test but since there’s no visible bump, it doesn’t count.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 7:05 pm to Lsut81
I think this is what we need to look at. When the numbers start going up in these places, we need to really worry.
However, I'm going to do like V and start buying things n stocking back. I'm not anticipating things will go bad here, but shite, why not just have extra stuff in your pantry and be prepared for anything.
I have my freak out moments, but I'm thankful for the posters like lsut81, V, burrhead, and slackster. Their posts keep me grounded.
I don't post a lot, but I read a lot, and almost everyone in this thread needs to keep posting.
I enjoy reading everyone's input and updates.
However, I'm going to do like V and start buying things n stocking back. I'm not anticipating things will go bad here, but shite, why not just have extra stuff in your pantry and be prepared for anything.
I have my freak out moments, but I'm thankful for the posters like lsut81, V, burrhead, and slackster. Their posts keep me grounded.
I don't post a lot, but I read a lot, and almost everyone in this thread needs to keep posting.
I enjoy reading everyone's input and updates.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 7:07 pm to frankthetank
100 million Chinese could die and no one would even notice.
This isn’t the next big plague etc. Not even close
This isn’t the next big plague etc. Not even close
Posted on 2/12/20 at 7:09 pm to Poker_hog
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So basically moving the suspected cases to the confirmed column.
The death total is the interesting thing. Is it a one time adjustment or the new norm based on the diagnostic criteria? And have they been drastically under reporting deaths so far?
This seems to be a good summation from what I've gathered this evening.
If there are another 14k cases and 250 deaths tomorrow, we'll have some real shite to discuss.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 7:15 pm to NeonSunburst
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I think this is what we need to look at. When the numbers start going up in these places, we need to really worry.
And it hasn’t changed in a week... and I don’t count the PH case because it was a third world country and the guy that died was a Wuhan resident.
The other was HK and a Wuhan resident too. Technically, you could call HK China and then only have 1 outside of China. But I differentiate HK and China at this point. However, after the uprising over the past year, it may not be too long until HK is 100% back in the grasps of China.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 7:16 pm to slackster
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This seems to be a good summation from what I've gathered this evening.
If there are another 14k cases and 250 deaths tomorrow, we'll have some real shite to discuss.
I'm wondering if we're going to get a massive spike in the national numbers like we just got from Wuhan. So far they still haven't released that yet.
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