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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***
Posted on 8/4/20 at 3:52 pm to St Augustine
Posted on 8/4/20 at 3:52 pm to St Augustine
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How in the frick have the T cell studies not been mentioned by the experts or the national media. This thread has been talking about them for probably 2 months now.
Literally anyone I tell this to has never heard of it and it seems pretty godamn significant.
Because it's good news and would reduce fear?
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 5:53 pm to Sasquatch Smash
Most people aren't that fearful. The most fearful people that I've seen on TV are the medical professionals who treat COVID patients.
Those doctors and nurses aren't deluded--they just see the disease at its most destructive.
Those doctors and nurses aren't deluded--they just see the disease at its most destructive.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 6:41 pm to CrownTownHalo
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So my kids physician discouraged an antibody test. He said that it would pick up other Coronavirus antibodies that weren’t necessarily SARS COV V2. So a common cold type thing could show a positive.
Was he full,of,shite?
It would depend on test Dr has access to give or if Dr is just going by some of the bad early tests including some from China that were going around in April and May. They have better info now, or at least more info.
https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19-emergency-use-authorizations-medical-devices/eua-authorized-serology-test-performance
https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/resources/COVID-19/serology/Serology-based-tests-for-COVID-19.html
We don't know level of immunity just testing positive will have for strains out there, and most are not quantitative tests (but we also don't know what levels are needed to most likely have immunity down the road outside of big mutations happening). We do have a lot of verified cases worldwide (including many verified multiple times during course of treatment) with very small amount of reported reinfections, and even those reports are not 100% verified to be without issues like false positive tests 1st time around or completely virus free before next positive test. If person had virus and symptoms it seems likely to offer some protection for at least 6 months after symptoms started. Based on a couple of studies asymptomatic may have lower levels, but they don't know when infected due to not having symptoms and don't know for sure if lower levels equates to being more likely to get infected with same or similar strain.
You would think positive rates for antibody testing would be higher if all of these tests report people just having colds recently. You would also think same people pushing antibody positive tests as just showing colds would be questioning a lot of positive viral tests across the globe especially when tests first started getting mass produced by a lot of different companies as also picking up other coronaviruses including the cold.
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 10:44 pm
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:09 pm to Whiznot
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Most people aren't that fearful. The most fearful people that I've seen on TV are the medical professionals who treat COVID patients.
Think it works both ways. A lot of us probably don’t take it as serious as we should after seeing so many elderly keep getting over it and going home. They have pretty uneventful hospital stays that don’t seem that different from copd exacerbation or the flu (at least for what we do with them in rehab).
If I had to say who the most fearful anecdotally are: it’s the guys who have just retired and perceive that they have another 15-20 good years they’ve been looking forward to. They have watched way more cable news than they should and just freak the frick out every minute they’re in the hospital even if it’s for something completely unrelated and minor.
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:09 am to St Augustine
Has anybody read about a successful Russian vaccine test in Moscow?
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:12 am to St Augustine
Forbes reporting on underestimating cases based on seroprevalence studies.
Looks like the news is starting to trickle out.
Looks like the news is starting to trickle out.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:31 pm to frankthetank
louisiana has more corona cases than china
seems legit
seems legit
Posted on 8/6/20 at 10:50 am to DVinBR
Pretty scorching op-ed(?) from The Daily Mail about Britain's response.
Can't wait for universal healthcare to come here!
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Typically some 30,000 cases of cancer are diagnosed every month; since lockdown it has been roughly half that. And the latest figures from the Office for National Statistics reveal cancer deaths were almost four times higher than they should have been in June.
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At the same time, waiting times nationwide for routine and even acute surgery are lengthening alarmingly.
In London alone, those waiting for procedures for more than a year have shot up to almost 20,000 from just 1,154 across England 18 months ago.
Can't wait for universal healthcare to come here!
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We like to believe we are better than the Soviet Union. But time and again we have seen the same totalitarian impulse in the Government's instructions, from Stay Home, Save Lives, Protect the NHS, to social distancing and wearing face masks — all in the absence of reliable evidence these measures do any real good and plenty to suggest harm.
In this crazy world, citizens who thought they lived in a sane, civilised country are treated like imbeciles, unable to make everyday risk assessments for themselves.
As a result, they are bound by farcical rules, exemplified by those governing the re-implemented Northern lockdown, where it is permitted to meet a lover with whom you do not co-habit in a hotel, but not in either of your private homes.
Meanwhile, no one dares to admit the lockdown itself may be completely misguided, because then everything that has been done in its name will be seen to have been pointless.
For months it has been clear that our own government and administrations internationally are in a fantasy world, determined to contain a virus which cannot be stamped out.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 9:24 pm to Sasquatch Smash
Interesting happenings in Ohio today. It should stir the debate even more on the accuracy of the numbers and tests. Governor Dewine tests positive prior to meeting with the president. The test was a rapid test which detects antigens rather than the virus itself. After returning to his home from Cleveland where he had planned to meet with the President, he gives a press conference about his positive test and basically says he doesn't know where he would have been exposed and also that nothing in life is guaranteed. He has been a big proponent of mask wearing but held off on issuing a mask mandate until a few weeks ago. Within the same day, he then has a PCR test performed in Columbus which comes up negative. His staff and wife also test negative. Amazing turnaround time on those tests as well. He and his wife plan to have a second PCR test on Saturday to confirm. He is in a high risk group being 73 years old and having asthma. He has been hospitalized for his asthma several times.
https://www.cleveland.com/open/2020/08/in-second-coronavirus-test-ohio-gov-mike-dewine-now-tests-negative.html
https://www.cleveland.com/open/2020/08/in-second-coronavirus-test-ohio-gov-mike-dewine-now-tests-negative.html
Posted on 8/6/20 at 10:57 pm to MadDogs
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Amazing turnaround time on those tests as well
Nothing amazing about it. Anybody that will be around the president is given a rapid test the the day they are to visit.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 6:57 am to borotiger
quote:He isn’t talking about the rapid test
Nothing amazing about it. Anybody that will be around the president is given a rapid test the the day they are to visit.
They turned his PCR test around in hours as well
Basically, they rushed his labs to the front of the line
Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:24 am to lsupride87
Before meeting Trump people used to take the Abbott Labs rapid test known to have 15% false negatives.
It sucks that false test results are so common. That vulnerability calls for multiple testing at increased frequency.
It sucks that false test results are so common. That vulnerability calls for multiple testing at increased frequency.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 5:08 pm to Whiznot
Wuhan Flu is the Walmart of viruses. Low profit margin but they make up for it by volume.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 6:43 am to Anfield Road
Melbourne, Australia going fill gestapo.
News.com.au
$1600 fine for breaking curfew for a burger...
Panic based off of: 370 new cases and 17 deaths in a state 50% larger than LA. 10 of the deaths are nursing home.
News.com.au
$1600 fine for breaking curfew for a burger...
Panic based off of: 370 new cases and 17 deaths in a state 50% larger than LA. 10 of the deaths are nursing home.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 2:17 pm to BRIllini07
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Panic based off of: 370 new cases and 17 deaths in a state 50% larger than LA. 10 of the deaths are nursing home.
Pretty sure they're copying the New York playbook of sending positive old folks back to the nursing homes, too.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 3:24 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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Pretty sure they're copying the New York playbook of sending positive old folks back to the nursing homes, too.
Pretty sure you have no clue what you’re talking about.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 4:28 pm to AmosMosesAndTwins
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Pretty sure you have no clue what you’re talking about.
Quite possible. I thought I read something to that effect last week or so.
I'd happily be wrong about it.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 10:26 am to Sasquatch Smash
Not sure if this German paper has been posted yet. More evidence that the various nonpharmaceutical mitigation don't do much of anything at all.
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The decline of infections in early March 2020 can be attributed to relatively small interventions and voluntary behavioural changes. Additional effects of later interventions cannot be detected clearly. Liberalizations of measures from April 20 did not induce a re-increase of infections. Thus, the effectiveness of most German interventions remains questionable.
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This study finds clear evidence of a decline of SARS-CoV-2 infections in Germany at the beginning of March 2020, which can be attributed to relatively small nonpharmaceutical interventions (cancellation of mass events) and voluntary behavioural changes. A trend change of infections from exponential growth to decay was not induced by the “lockdown” measures but occurred earlier.
This post was edited on 8/10/20 at 10:30 am
Posted on 8/10/20 at 8:09 pm to frankthetank
Hadn’t seen this posted here yet.
LINK
Essentially small sample of patients positive for COVID with a variety of symptom severity and comorbidites.
60% of patients had some level of myocarditis which was not correlated to overall symptoms or preexisting conditions. Scary stuff
Saw this in the context of fall sports discussions
LINK
Essentially small sample of patients positive for COVID with a variety of symptom severity and comorbidites.
60% of patients had some level of myocarditis which was not correlated to overall symptoms or preexisting conditions. Scary stuff
Saw this in the context of fall sports discussions
This post was edited on 8/10/20 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 8/10/20 at 9:01 pm to escatawpabuckeye
Did you happen to look at the study?
The ages were 45-53
It seems like solid research but more needs to be done about how the virus effects college aged kids before we can say it’s relevant to college football.
Are we never going to play college football again? All the “experts” think covid is here to stay even if we get a vaccine.
The ages were 45-53
It seems like solid research but more needs to be done about how the virus effects college aged kids before we can say it’s relevant to college football.
Are we never going to play college football again? All the “experts” think covid is here to stay even if we get a vaccine.
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