- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Coaching Changes
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Corn Lobby already whining about Costs changing to Pure Sugar vs HFCS.
Posted on 7/19/25 at 11:22 pm to ThermoDynamicTiger
Posted on 7/19/25 at 11:22 pm to ThermoDynamicTiger
quote:
I usually feel bad for farmers
I agree but I think a lot of the corn is farmed by Big Ag.
Posted on 7/19/25 at 11:49 pm to doc baklava
quote:
If you drink 100 calories of Coke made with real sugar, you could do lawn work for a few hours and burn it all off.
If it's made from HFCS, nothing short of an ultramarathon will burn it off. HFCS goes straight to your liver and body fat, do not pass go, do not collect $200.
Do you have studies that conclude that there are metabolic or endocrine response differences between sucrose and HFCS?
The you made specifically about Coke is 100% false, I have shown over and over in this thread the sucrose inverts to glucose and fructose in Coke and is chemically identical to the sugars in HFCS Coke.
Everyone has a right to their own opinion as to which tastes better and the formulas are significantly different outside of the sweeteners. You don't have a right to your own facts so please support them.
Posted on 7/20/25 at 12:24 am to Obtuse1
I will let RFK Junior do my talking for me, ban HFCS and all the mfering Frankenstein foods
Posted on 7/20/25 at 1:06 am to TutHillTiger
quote:
I will let RFK Junior do my talking for me, ban HFCS and all the mfering Frankenstein foods
If you are sending RFK into an Ochem argument with someone like me even 25 years out from their degree it might not be wise.
I rarely eat ultra-processed foods. But I am conservative enough not to believe in banning them short of short-term exposure leading to death. I do, however, think IF the government is going to subsidize crops it should not be the ones that almost always end up in ultra-processed foods. HFCS is certainly one of those ingredients. However, in the context of this thread I don't see where sucrose is chemically any better. Someone mentioned HFCS is metabolized by the liver, which is true the fructose portion of HFCS is indeed metabolized by the liver. The issue is that the fructose in sucrose is metabolized in the same way and the fructose-to-glucose ratio in sucrose is almost the same as HFCS (it can be more or less depending on the variety of HFCS in use).
Banning HFCS alone just replaces it with sucrose, which, through inversion or hydrolysis, becomes the same monosaccharides in HFCS so you have the exact same problems.
The solution to the problem is to lower the consumption of ultra processed foods, but banning HFCS will not accomplish that goal if sucrose remains a viable alternative.
Posted on 7/20/25 at 1:19 am to Obtuse1
quote:
sucrose inverts to glucose and fructose in Coke and is chemically identical to the sugars in HFCS Coke.
I've heard that HFCS is worse than sugar. Is that just a common misconception?
Posted on 7/20/25 at 1:53 am to Mr Happy
quote:
I've heard that HFCS is worse than sugar. Is that just a common misconception?
I would say it's mostly a misconception. I think the big take away from any of these discussions is to simply not ingest foods with lots of added sugars no matter how its packaged.
Posted on 7/20/25 at 1:54 am to Mr Happy
quote:
I've heard that HFCS is worse than sugar. Is that just a common misconception?
The vast majority of studies that study it via human or animal conclude they are equally bad. When people bring up the idea that the HFCS is bad because it is metabolized through the liver is reasonable but using it to say sucrose (cane/beet sugar) is better defies logic because half the sugars in sucrose are metabolized through the liver. Once hydrolysis (sucrose) or inversion (HFCS) occurs, they are chemically identical except for small differences in the balance of glucose and fructose depending on which HFCS formulation is used.
I think the reason HFCS is demonized is because it is the most common sweetener used in ultra-processed foods. So it is used in a large number of foods that are "bad" for you. The high use is simply because it is the cheapest form of sweetener, get rid of it and sucrose will be used instead and will then become the poster child for evil sugars.
The somewhat hidden problem with HFCS is that it is used (usually in its 42 form*) in a ton of savory ultra-processed foods where people are often oblivious to its use because the final product isn't what they consider sweet. If HFCS are gone then you just use sucrose instead. Where you would normally use HFCS 42 you would just use a slightly lower weight of sucrose to get the same sweetness and if you replace HFCS 55 you would use either a slightly higher weight of sucrose to match the sweetness or use a slightly lower amount and use some maltose. The maltose is also a disaccharide but both sugars are fructose so it could be used to match the higher fructose level of HFCS 55.
* HFCS comes in two basic forms 42 and 55. That represents the percentage of fructose in the mix. Since fructose is "sweeter" than glucose 55 is used in sweet beverages and foods, and 42 is generally used in savory foods. Sucrose is a 50/50 mix so as mentioned above to replace HFCS with sucrose or vice versa you have to adjust the amounts to get the same final sweetness.
Posted on 7/20/25 at 5:42 am to TankBoys32
The farthest North I have ever seen it is my back yard in Ellick.
Posted on 7/20/25 at 7:20 am to Obtuse1
Thanks Clames and Obtuse1.
And to echo what you guys said, according to Duckduckgo's AI answer:
I'm almost disappointed that HFCS isn't the Boogeyman that I thought it was.
And to echo what you guys said, according to Duckduckgo's AI answer:
quote:
The FDA states that there is no evidence suggesting that HFCS 42 or HFCS 55 is less safe than traditional sweeteners like sucrose or honey. Both types are considered safe for consumption when used in moderation.
I'm almost disappointed that HFCS isn't the Boogeyman that I thought it was.
This post was edited on 7/20/25 at 7:26 am
Posted on 7/20/25 at 8:50 am to AlxTgr
Haha yes, my grandpa farmed it in Cheneyville area
Posted on 7/20/25 at 9:07 am to Mr Happy
quote:
FDA
When did it say this?
Posted on 7/20/25 at 9:40 am to TigersHuskers
I farm 2000 acres of corn
I love these threads .
It exemplifies the norm on this board for years and years. A bunch of dumbass know it mother frickers that spew a bunch of BS about a topic they know shite about.
F Coke…. Want to be healthier drink water.
Mae while I’m getting ready to harvest nest week.
Looks like a big crop!
Wish me luck haters. !!!!!
I love these threads .
It exemplifies the norm on this board for years and years. A bunch of dumbass know it mother frickers that spew a bunch of BS about a topic they know shite about.
F Coke…. Want to be healthier drink water.
Mae while I’m getting ready to harvest nest week.
Looks like a big crop!
Wish me luck haters. !!!!!
Posted on 7/20/25 at 9:54 am to Obtuse1
Obtuse, thanks for your contributions to this thread.
This is a topic that I’ve really only started caring about in the last few years. You obviously know what you’re talking about and admit the stuff you’re not sure of. That’s very helpful for those of us that don’t know shite but are trying to be more aware of the absolute trash we ingest.
I’ve made great strides in my diet since reading the book Ultra Processed People. I highly recommend that book to anyone that gives a damn about what our government and food manufactures have done to our food supply.
I’ve cut out a lot of stuff that I used to eat regularly. I’m a thin guy so I never really cared much about nutrition as long as I stayed thin. My eyes have been opened though. Get the Yuka App and scan the food you and loved ones eat daily. It’s concerning, to say the least.
This is a topic that I’ve really only started caring about in the last few years. You obviously know what you’re talking about and admit the stuff you’re not sure of. That’s very helpful for those of us that don’t know shite but are trying to be more aware of the absolute trash we ingest.
I’ve made great strides in my diet since reading the book Ultra Processed People. I highly recommend that book to anyone that gives a damn about what our government and food manufactures have done to our food supply.
I’ve cut out a lot of stuff that I used to eat regularly. I’m a thin guy so I never really cared much about nutrition as long as I stayed thin. My eyes have been opened though. Get the Yuka App and scan the food you and loved ones eat daily. It’s concerning, to say the least.
This post was edited on 7/20/25 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 7/20/25 at 9:56 am to R11
Enjoy the welfare from our government
Posted on 7/20/25 at 10:15 am to R11
quote:
Wish me luck haters. !!!!!
I do wish you luck, but I also wish you would keep your corn out of our gasoline. That is absolutely a sham and a detriment to consumers.
Posted on 7/20/25 at 10:41 am to Crappieman
High fructose corn syrup ruined the flavor of Coca-Cola a while back, now we have to revert to drinking Mexican Coke, which is effectively the real Coca-Cola recipe.
Posted on 7/20/25 at 10:45 am to doc baklava
quote:
I've got 3 biologic science degrees.
And said something this stupid, embarrassing
quote:
If you drink 100 calories of Coke made with real sugar, you could do lawn work for a few hours and burn it all off. If it's made from HFCS, nothing short of an ultramarathon will burn it off. HFCS goes straight to your liver and body fat, do not pass go, do not collect $200.
Posted on 7/20/25 at 10:45 am to tonydtigr
quote:
That is absolutely a sham and a detriment to consumers.
It is and now I'm seeing E15 in 87 and 89 octane and E10 only in 93 octane at some pumps around East Arkansas. I need non-ethanol 93 octane gas for my truck and I now use the same for my OPE since I don't use that much anymore but it's harder to find.
Posted on 7/20/25 at 10:46 am to Crappieman
Corn lobby and Iowa generally can go frick itself
Posted on 7/20/25 at 10:49 am to Obtuse1
quote:
The vast majority of studies that study it via human or animal conclude they are equally bad. When people bring up the idea that the HFCS is bad because it is metabolized through the liver is reasonable
There’s very little empirical data of what HFCS and other additives do to metabolic health though. I generally try to avoid the shite. To put it most simply, an engine will run on shitty gas, but that shitty gas will ultimately lead to the engine having more problems and a shorter useful life
Popular
Back to top



1









