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re: Corn Lobby already whining about Costs changing to Pure Sugar vs HFCS.

Posted on 7/19/25 at 11:22 pm to
Posted by Mr Happy
Member since May 2019
2296 posts
Posted on 7/19/25 at 11:22 pm to
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I usually feel bad for farmers

I agree but I think a lot of the corn is farmed by Big Ag.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
29906 posts
Posted on 7/19/25 at 11:49 pm to
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If you drink 100 calories of Coke made with real sugar, you could do lawn work for a few hours and burn it all off.

If it's made from HFCS, nothing short of an ultramarathon will burn it off. HFCS goes straight to your liver and body fat, do not pass go, do not collect $200.



Do you have studies that conclude that there are metabolic or endocrine response differences between sucrose and HFCS?

The you made specifically about Coke is 100% false, I have shown over and over in this thread the sucrose inverts to glucose and fructose in Coke and is chemically identical to the sugars in HFCS Coke.

Everyone has a right to their own opinion as to which tastes better and the formulas are significantly different outside of the sweeteners. You don't have a right to your own facts so please support them.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
49741 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 12:24 am to
I will let RFK Junior do my talking for me, ban HFCS and all the mfering Frankenstein foods
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
29906 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 1:06 am to
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I will let RFK Junior do my talking for me, ban HFCS and all the mfering Frankenstein foods


If you are sending RFK into an Ochem argument with someone like me even 25 years out from their degree it might not be wise.

I rarely eat ultra-processed foods. But I am conservative enough not to believe in banning them short of short-term exposure leading to death. I do, however, think IF the government is going to subsidize crops it should not be the ones that almost always end up in ultra-processed foods. HFCS is certainly one of those ingredients. However, in the context of this thread I don't see where sucrose is chemically any better. Someone mentioned HFCS is metabolized by the liver, which is true the fructose portion of HFCS is indeed metabolized by the liver. The issue is that the fructose in sucrose is metabolized in the same way and the fructose-to-glucose ratio in sucrose is almost the same as HFCS (it can be more or less depending on the variety of HFCS in use).


Banning HFCS alone just replaces it with sucrose, which, through inversion or hydrolysis, becomes the same monosaccharides in HFCS so you have the exact same problems.

The solution to the problem is to lower the consumption of ultra processed foods, but banning HFCS will not accomplish that goal if sucrose remains a viable alternative.
Posted by Mr Happy
Member since May 2019
2296 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 1:19 am to
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sucrose inverts to glucose and fructose in Coke and is chemically identical to the sugars in HFCS Coke.

I've heard that HFCS is worse than sugar. Is that just a common misconception?
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
18750 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 1:53 am to
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I've heard that HFCS is worse than sugar. Is that just a common misconception?


I would say it's mostly a misconception. I think the big take away from any of these discussions is to simply not ingest foods with lots of added sugars no matter how its packaged.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
29906 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 1:54 am to
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I've heard that HFCS is worse than sugar. Is that just a common misconception?


The vast majority of studies that study it via human or animal conclude they are equally bad. When people bring up the idea that the HFCS is bad because it is metabolized through the liver is reasonable but using it to say sucrose (cane/beet sugar) is better defies logic because half the sugars in sucrose are metabolized through the liver. Once hydrolysis (sucrose) or inversion (HFCS) occurs, they are chemically identical except for small differences in the balance of glucose and fructose depending on which HFCS formulation is used.

I think the reason HFCS is demonized is because it is the most common sweetener used in ultra-processed foods. So it is used in a large number of foods that are "bad" for you. The high use is simply because it is the cheapest form of sweetener, get rid of it and sucrose will be used instead and will then become the poster child for evil sugars.

The somewhat hidden problem with HFCS is that it is used (usually in its 42 form*) in a ton of savory ultra-processed foods where people are often oblivious to its use because the final product isn't what they consider sweet. If HFCS are gone then you just use sucrose instead. Where you would normally use HFCS 42 you would just use a slightly lower weight of sucrose to get the same sweetness and if you replace HFCS 55 you would use either a slightly higher weight of sucrose to match the sweetness or use a slightly lower amount and use some maltose. The maltose is also a disaccharide but both sugars are fructose so it could be used to match the higher fructose level of HFCS 55.


* HFCS comes in two basic forms 42 and 55. That represents the percentage of fructose in the mix. Since fructose is "sweeter" than glucose 55 is used in sweet beverages and foods, and 42 is generally used in savory foods. Sucrose is a 50/50 mix so as mentioned above to replace HFCS with sucrose or vice versa you have to adjust the amounts to get the same final sweetness.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86191 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 5:42 am to
The farthest North I have ever seen it is my back yard in Ellick.
Posted by Mr Happy
Member since May 2019
2296 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 7:20 am to
Thanks Clames and Obtuse1.

And to echo what you guys said, according to Duckduckgo's AI answer:
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The FDA states that there is no evidence suggesting that HFCS 42 or HFCS 55 is less safe than traditional sweeteners like sucrose or honey. Both types are considered safe for consumption when used in moderation.


I'm almost disappointed that HFCS isn't the Boogeyman that I thought it was.
This post was edited on 7/20/25 at 7:26 am
Posted by TankBoys32
Member since Mar 2019
3938 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 8:50 am to
Haha yes, my grandpa farmed it in Cheneyville area
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
111885 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 9:07 am to
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FDA


When did it say this?
Posted by R11
Member since Aug 2017
4943 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 9:40 am to
I farm 2000 acres of corn

I love these threads .

It exemplifies the norm on this board for years and years. A bunch of dumbass know it mother frickers that spew a bunch of BS about a topic they know shite about.


F Coke…. Want to be healthier drink water.
Mae while I’m getting ready to harvest nest week.
Looks like a big crop!

Wish me luck haters. !!!!!
Posted by supadave3
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2005
31711 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 9:54 am to
Obtuse, thanks for your contributions to this thread.

This is a topic that I’ve really only started caring about in the last few years. You obviously know what you’re talking about and admit the stuff you’re not sure of. That’s very helpful for those of us that don’t know shite but are trying to be more aware of the absolute trash we ingest.

I’ve made great strides in my diet since reading the book Ultra Processed People. I highly recommend that book to anyone that gives a damn about what our government and food manufactures have done to our food supply.


I’ve cut out a lot of stuff that I used to eat regularly. I’m a thin guy so I never really cared much about nutrition as long as I stayed thin. My eyes have been opened though. Get the Yuka App and scan the food you and loved ones eat daily. It’s concerning, to say the least.
This post was edited on 7/20/25 at 12:10 pm
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
98709 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 9:56 am to
Enjoy the welfare from our government
Posted by tonydtigr
Beautiful Downtown Glenn Springs,Tx
Member since Nov 2011
6295 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 10:15 am to
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Wish me luck haters. !!!!!


I do wish you luck, but I also wish you would keep your corn out of our gasoline. That is absolutely a sham and a detriment to consumers.
Posted by HoustonGumbeauxGuy
Member since Jul 2011
32574 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 10:41 am to
High fructose corn syrup ruined the flavor of Coca-Cola a while back, now we have to revert to drinking Mexican Coke, which is effectively the real Coca-Cola recipe.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
35824 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 10:45 am to
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I've got 3 biologic science degrees.


And said something this stupid, embarrassing

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If you drink 100 calories of Coke made with real sugar, you could do lawn work for a few hours and burn it all off. If it's made from HFCS, nothing short of an ultramarathon will burn it off. HFCS goes straight to your liver and body fat, do not pass go, do not collect $200.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
18750 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 10:45 am to
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That is absolutely a sham and a detriment to consumers.


It is and now I'm seeing E15 in 87 and 89 octane and E10 only in 93 octane at some pumps around East Arkansas. I need non-ethanol 93 octane gas for my truck and I now use the same for my OPE since I don't use that much anymore but it's harder to find.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35461 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 10:46 am to
Corn lobby and Iowa generally can go frick itself
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
35824 posts
Posted on 7/20/25 at 10:49 am to
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The vast majority of studies that study it via human or animal conclude they are equally bad. When people bring up the idea that the HFCS is bad because it is metabolized through the liver is reasonable


There’s very little empirical data of what HFCS and other additives do to metabolic health though. I generally try to avoid the shite. To put it most simply, an engine will run on shitty gas, but that shitty gas will ultimately lead to the engine having more problems and a shorter useful life
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