re: Corn Lobby already whining about Costs changing to Pure Sugar vs HFCS.

First of all, I like farmers, I also think we need a safety net and some subsidies for them because we can't have 50% of our Ag going out of business because of 3 consecutive years of poor weather that impacts that destroys their yields. Ag may be too big to fail but more importantly, they are too important to fail.

That being said, you simplified it so much that you obfuscated the subsidies.

What about CCC, ARC, CRP, PLC, direct payments, research, infrastructure in farming areas etc?

Even if you have never availed yourself of any of these (I bet you have) you still work in an industry that has those subsidies and safety nets that a lot of industries do not.

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What about CCC, ARC, CRP, PLC, direct payments, research, infrastructure in farming areas etc?

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None of which has paid a dime to farmers in at least 5 years.

This is my 5th crop and only income I’ve received outside one small payment for disaster rain fall event in August of 22 that was through insurance was whatever I sold to the elevator.

Well, I appreciate the fact you like farmers unfortunately you’re like many of the rest of the people on here. You simply don’t know what you’re talking about.

We own farm property, I know how it works.

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None of which has paid a dime to farmers in at least 5 years.

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So what you're saying is that we can zero all those out, and it won't have an impact on you anyway. Conditions accepted.

Lie about what?

Farming?
Borrowing money?
Selling crops to the elevator?
Not collecting cash subsides?

Dammit, I said I liked farmers and I thnk safety nets are warranted but then you gotta go and do this:

Mine:

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What about CCC, ARC, CRP, PLC, direct payments, research, infrastructure in farming areas etc?

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Yours:

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None of which has paid a dime to farmers in at least 5 years.

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Before I let you off for just being a little defensive pushing back against someone that is ON YOUR SIDE I am going to ask one thing:

Are you saying the CRP hasn't paid out to farmers in the last 5 years?

I am going to give you a hyperbolic example while you consider your answer:

Let's pretend I am your legal counsel and you have made this statement in a deposition. We will assume the deposition was prior to firing your previous incompetent attorney and retaining me because you should have been coached away from making such a statement. I would inform you that on cross examinition the other attorney is going to make a big show of breaking the seal on your deposition and is about to impeach you. When they ask you to read that statement and then he asks you if you stand by it I suggest you say "Absolutely, those programs did not pay out a single dime to farmers in the 5 years prior to that deposition, in fact they paid out billions of dimes." The jury will hopefully laugh at you being a smartass vs thinking you are uninformed or even worse, a liar. Let's make lemonade out of your lemons.

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So now they know how the sugarcane farmers felt.

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If you think sugarcane farmers don’t get substantial subsidies than you don’t know how farming works.

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Healthier food is great and all, but I think a side effect will be Bill Gates and the Chinese buying up even more farmland for solar and wind energy.

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They need to ban that shite from farm land. Put it over the millions of parking lots and get an added benefit of shading the cars.

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Crp payments are for landowners
Has nothing nothing to do with farmers or the crops we raise.

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Many farmers are land owners and they use CRP as a hedge. As long as they meet their contractual obligations they get a guaranteed payout per acre. They have input costs like the grass seen and planting costs but that is usually where the input ends. If the weather is bad and the grass grows poorly they don't have to be concerned about yields or Brix scores.

Here is the thing your statement was a lie, it was a misstatement until you doubled down because you had the opportunity to consider, research and adjust your statement. ARC and PLC paid out almost $500 million on the 2023 season alone. I will accept YOU are getting little to no direct payouts, but I would be surprised if you don't take advantage of the subsidized crop loans and crop insurance.


Farmers as a whole get significant subsidies I don't see the point in arguing otherwise. The positive public policy motivation is how important they are for the public pocketbook and not least of which national security. I am all for farmer subsidies I think it is important but I am slightly less pro-farmer subsidies than I was two days ago because I don't like getting pissed on and told it is raining.

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Furthermore there is no subsidized loans. And to “ double down” wtf difference that even make anyways? I’ve car loans personal loans home loan…. They all the same as it pertains to borrowers. Principal Interest Terms That’s all that matters. Idk if my crop insurance premium is subsidized or not but I do know this … it’ was 55k premium last year. Yeah a check had to be written for that.

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You sound like a bad business owner and a dumbass to boot