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re: Cop shoots drunk disorderly fireman who should have complied
Posted on 3/1/14 at 6:01 am to VerlanderBEAST
Posted on 3/1/14 at 6:01 am to VerlanderBEAST
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again the cop is under no threat from the guy and has everything under full control all he needs to do is get control of his wrist
Under no threat....and all he needs to do is get control of his wrist.
Did you watch the video? The cop was trying to get control of his wrist....that is the whole point.
The guy resisted giving the wrist and it escalated. I would argue the minute someone resists arrest, the cop is under threat....as has been evidenced by the video.
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Posted on 3/1/14 at 6:29 am to CptBengal
nevermind many police departments actively encourage offduty officers to avoid such incidents...due to liability, and his arrest powers dont really exist until an ON DUTY police officer shows up. He has now exposed his employer, the hotel to liability in his need to be a supercop to stop a drunk walking down the street.
You're so full of shite your eyes are brown. No where in state statutes does it say my arrest powers or authority are dependent on whether or not I'm on duty at the time.
And, if what you say is true, then the next time a cop gets in trouble for something off-duty you better not identify him/her as a cop. Because, according to you, he/she quits being a cop the second his tour of duty is over. Or does your opinion only apply when you can use it to bash or discredit cops?
You're so full of shite your eyes are brown. No where in state statutes does it say my arrest powers or authority are dependent on whether or not I'm on duty at the time.
And, if what you say is true, then the next time a cop gets in trouble for something off-duty you better not identify him/her as a cop. Because, according to you, he/she quits being a cop the second his tour of duty is over. Or does your opinion only apply when you can use it to bash or discredit cops?
Posted on 3/1/14 at 6:41 am to SoFla Tideroller
Only read the last few pages and I am amazed some turn this into bashing cops. I don't see the cop trying to beat the guy (knee in the head) I see a cop trying to gain control of someone resisting arrest.
Guy that videoed it should have helped diffuse the situation.
Guy that videoed it should have helped diffuse the situation.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 7:00 am to CptBengal
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we arent talking armed robbery we are talking about a public intoxication charge. call the on duty police. Why not make it Nazi aliens with ray guns who have kidnapped Obama if you're gonna go full retard for dramatic effect.
It's hilarious when the full retard calls the correct and logical argument "going full retard."
The reason he corrected you calling this a public intoxication situation is because the firefighter had already beat the crap out of the taxi driver. Public intoxication and Assault and Battery are not the same.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 7:25 am to Topwater Trout
I am not bashing the cop, I think he made a couple of mistakes that led to the killing.
The first was allowing it to get physical to begin with. He was alone and should have called for help.
Secondly, kneeing the guy in the head obviously pissed him off.
I hate that he asked for help and the people filming wouldn't help him.
I got into a fight with an off-duty cop in Natchez,ms in 1985. I got charged with a list of crimes took it to court and won.
The first was allowing it to get physical to begin with. He was alone and should have called for help.
Secondly, kneeing the guy in the head obviously pissed him off.
I hate that he asked for help and the people filming wouldn't help him.
I got into a fight with an off-duty cop in Natchez,ms in 1985. I got charged with a list of crimes took it to court and won.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 7:54 am to rsbd
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If the dead guy was black the cop would be in jail now..
If the dead guy was black the cop would be discussed on CNN everyday for months.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 7:55 am to bencoleman
I got in a fight with an off duty cop. I was defending a woman his guy friend had thrown a drink on and his drunk arse goes after me instead of his buddy. After we were split up he started yelling he was a cop and I better hope he doesn't see me in his town 
mf'er tried to sneak me...douchebag!
mf'er tried to sneak me...douchebag!Posted on 3/1/14 at 9:00 am to boom roasted
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You're all about making sure everyone receives just punishment. You going to follow up with the police station?
No need, justice served.
If need be though, I'm your man....unlike you who sits back like a bitch and judges everyone else while doing nothing...real e badass you are becoming.
It was probably you talking in the video, not the guy though
This post was edited on 3/1/14 at 9:03 am
Posted on 3/1/14 at 9:07 am to Topwater Trout
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Guy that videoed it should have helped diffuse the situation.
It is a fight. Let the cop and the other guy settle it. Breaking up a fight like that is a good way to get yourself hurt.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 9:41 am to Sevendust912
You are a fricking moron.
Restraining someone is not easy. Remember too, firefighters, which we know he was, are usually very strong people. They have to be. He was drunk, belligerent, and already been in a fight. You can't just restrain someone. It's not like the cop is a bouncer and can start throwing hay makers or kick the dude in the ribs.
This dumbass should not have gotten so drunk and hit a cab driver and then pound a cop. Maybe he wouldn't be dead. How about some personal fricking responsibility.
Restraining someone is not easy. Remember too, firefighters, which we know he was, are usually very strong people. They have to be. He was drunk, belligerent, and already been in a fight. You can't just restrain someone. It's not like the cop is a bouncer and can start throwing hay makers or kick the dude in the ribs.
This dumbass should not have gotten so drunk and hit a cab driver and then pound a cop. Maybe he wouldn't be dead. How about some personal fricking responsibility.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 9:43 am to ASTL
All I fricking said was that I wouldn't jump into a random fight where one guy is armed and the other is blackout drunk. No good is going to come from that.
This post was edited on 3/1/14 at 9:44 am
Posted on 3/1/14 at 9:54 am to GeeOH
quote:Lololololol
unlike you who sits back like a bitch and judges everyone else while doing nothing...real e badass you are becoming.
You talking about judging people and being an e-badass is downright hilarious. Thanks for the chuckle.
This post was edited on 3/1/14 at 11:00 am
Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:03 am to Sevendust912
a lit of good can come from that, you know, like the drunk abusive guy who assaulted the cabbie and police officer getting put in jail....
when the cop had the guy down, all someone had to do was something easy like grab his legs, game over. guy wakes up hung over, arrested, out of a job, but alive!
when the cop had the guy down, all someone had to do was something easy like grab his legs, game over. guy wakes up hung over, arrested, out of a job, but alive!
Posted on 3/1/14 at 10:06 am to GeeOH
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a lit of good can come from that, you know, like the drunk abusive guy who assaulted the cabbie and police officer getting put in jail....
I guess if you want to call that good, but didn't the cop escalate the fight by kneeing him in the head?
Either way, that is not enough to make me jump into a street fight and risk getting shot/hurt/injured
Posted on 3/1/14 at 11:01 am to Sevendust912
My dad taught me to not ever try to break up a street fight. You're going to get snuck.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 11:17 am to SoFla Tideroller
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You're so full of shite your eyes are brown. No where in state statutes does it say my arrest powers or authority are dependent on whether or not I'm on duty at the time.
No, but when you're working on a side gig, liability gets in the way.
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2) Authority. Be sure of your states laws and agency’s policies regarding off-duty intervention.
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LINK
LINK
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1. While off-duty, the police officer is responsible for immediately reporting any
suspected or observed criminal activity, qualifying a serious misdemeanor or
higher, to on-duty personnel.
2. Despite the fact that a police officer has police powers 24 hours a day
throughout the jurisdiction, except as allowed by this policy, off-duty officers
should not enforce minor violations such as disorderly conduct, public
intoxication, minor traffic violations or other nuisance offenses. On-duty
personnel should be contacted to respond to the situation where an off-duty
officer becomes aware of such violations and believes police intervention is
necessary.
This is another jurisdiction but he probably should have not tried to detain the guy.
LINK
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An off-duty police officer may have proper identification and legal authority to arrest an offender, but he or she is also not considered to be on the clock, meaning there could be serious liability or insurance issues if he or she is injured during an off-duty incident or other damage occurs. This is why many off-duty police officers tend to avoid getting directly involved in minor incidents unless the offense is clearly egregious. An off-duty police officer may contact an on-duty police officer to report a minor traffic accident, but only use his or her authority to pull over an erratic driver creating a clear traffic hazard.
Some people believe that an off-duty police officer not in uniform and driving an unmarked car cannot legally issue a citation, but that is not always the case. Different police departments have different policies concerning the authority of off-duty officers, but in many places an off-duty police officer does have the legal right to detain an offender until an on-duty officer arrives to finish the process. The key factor in such an action is proper identification, however. An off-duty police officer who instigates a fight or commits an illegal act has no more rights or legal protections than any other private citizen.
While working for a private company, the line is blurred. Authority doesn't make it prudent. Liability is a serious consideration.
It's not like the fireman was going to run off, kill a dozen people and disappear forever.
This post was edited on 3/1/14 at 11:18 am
Posted on 3/1/14 at 11:50 am to saderade
The cop made the decision to escalated the situation from a drunk idiot giving token resistance to a life and death fight that resulted in him killing an unarmed man. If you don't want to hold him accountable for that than own up to it, don't pretend to be someone who is "tough on cops" but believe this the cop was justified in this case.
This post was edited on 3/1/14 at 11:51 am
Posted on 3/1/14 at 11:59 am to VerlanderBEAST
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The cop made the decision to escalated the situation from a drunk idiot giving token resistance to a life and death fight that resulted in him killing an unarmed man. If you don't want to hold him accountable for that than own up to it, don't pretend to be someone who is "tough on cops" but believe this the cop was justified in this case.
Good to know you're a mouth breather every day of the week. Still going strong, I see.
Posted on 3/1/14 at 12:08 pm to VerlanderBEAST
For people clearly did not watch the video
What threat was the cop under?
What threat was the cop under?
This post was edited on 3/1/14 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 3/1/14 at 12:09 pm to Sevendust912
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escalate the fight
IT WAS ALREADY A FIGHT BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION!!!
I don't care what a cops does after a person who is told he is being placed under arrest becomes aggressive and viloent towards others (cabbie and cop)
My God man, he was kneeling on a cop and punching him in the face! He could have run! It shows he was all about the conflict. Frame of mind.
But reading this crap about those who think froma computer on how a cop should have acted while under extreme duress with a drunk violent criminal (remember he punched a fricking cab driver)..he wa a criminal at that piont, BEOFRE the cop arrived.
So during this whole melee, the cop knew beforehand he was dealing with a criminal, geez you guys just fricking argue for nothing.
The real reason this continued is because the limp wrist pussy that talked on video instead of being a man and a citizen and help the cop out instead of fricking telling him he is in an aggressive stance!!
:banghead: :banghead:
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