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re: Construction Management....
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:40 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:40 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
$200K right. What geographic location are you referring too?
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Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:40 pm to MSH
If push comes to shove I would just ask my father in law who owns a small construction firm for help locating an entry level position. I wanted to do it without his help but I will it nothing else comes about.
Around my area many of the unions offer apprenticeships. I could sign up for the Drywall layers union. There is also a union for electrical work.
There are occupational centers that train you in construction. I could sign up for a course there and take a year to learn the trade.
Around my area many of the unions offer apprenticeships. I could sign up for the Drywall layers union. There is also a union for electrical work.
There are occupational centers that train you in construction. I could sign up for a course there and take a year to learn the trade.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:40 pm to kingbob
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If you don't have at least one $45k/year job offer in hand at graduation from LSU's CM program, you're doing something wrong,
Depends A LOT on how the economy is doing.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:43 pm to Breauxsif
SE Louisiana and SE Texas
Executives don't bat an eye at a guy with 15-20 yrs experience managing a $100M project making $200k/yr
And although I said several, I still don't know 1 who makes less than $100k. I have a BS and MS in CM so I know a lot of PMs
Executives don't bat an eye at a guy with 15-20 yrs experience managing a $100M project making $200k/yr
And although I said several, I still don't know 1 who makes less than $100k. I have a BS and MS in CM so I know a lot of PMs
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:43 pm to Manored77
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If push comes to shove I would just ask my father in law who owns a small construction firm for help locating an entry level position. I wanted to do it without his help but I will it nothing else comes about.
I get the prideful approach you're taking. Nobody becomes successful without help from friends or family along the way.
If your fathers company is the type of construction you want to do, ask him for an entry level job. If nothing else, stick with that job for a couple/three years to gain experience and parlay that into another, higher paying job.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:44 pm to MSH
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Depends A LOT on how the economy is doing
True, but even with low oil prices, industrial construction is booming in south LA and SE Texas.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:44 pm to Manored77
Learn how to swing a hammer, read a set of drawings and properly run a project.
If you request paperwork from me expect me to want your documents in a timely fashion as well. Learn how to actually schedule a job and not just color coordinate a schedule and expect it to be adhered too. Turn the invoice in on time and hound the architect or owner to pay on time and you be sure invoices are paid on time.
Don't frick with me on MY money. Pay me timely and you will get a lot in return. Treat people with respect and be honest and maybe we can get along.
Out of probably several hundred I've dealt with I can say 6 are very good at what they do. And they are treated very well by me.
If you request paperwork from me expect me to want your documents in a timely fashion as well. Learn how to actually schedule a job and not just color coordinate a schedule and expect it to be adhered too. Turn the invoice in on time and hound the architect or owner to pay on time and you be sure invoices are paid on time.
Don't frick with me on MY money. Pay me timely and you will get a lot in return. Treat people with respect and be honest and maybe we can get along.
Out of probably several hundred I've dealt with I can say 6 are very good at what they do. And they are treated very well by me.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:45 pm to Martini
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Learn how to swing a hammer, read a set of drawings and properly run a project.
If you request paperwork from me expect me to want your documents in a timely fashion as well. Learn how to actually schedule a job and not just color coordinate a schedule and expect it to be adhered too.
This.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:46 pm to kingbob
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I did just a bachelors, but a couple of my friends were in the masters program. There's just as many, if not more, jobs in Texas than in Louisiana. There were several firms out in Los Angeles and San Diego that recruited here. LSU's CM school is one of the most highly regarded in the nation.
Just a regular bachelors is enough to gain entry level work, but if you've already got a bachelors, the masters in CM is tailor made for you. If you don't have at least one $45k/year job offer in hand at graduation from LSU's CM program, you're doing something wrong, and this is coming from someone who had a sub 3.0 GPA
Kingbob, you rock man! Thanks for the uplift. I thought I was up a creek without a paddle. I had heard a lot about going in with no experience and was ready to join a local union apprenticeship program. I don't mind if that is what I have to do but it would be nice to go in without it.
Now I don't mean to harp on this but is the post bac the same basic courses as the bachelors? It's six core courses. They seem to tackle the basics and upon finishing, according to my adviser, I would be eligible to take the Associate Constructor LEvel 1 exam with the American Institute of Constructors. Is that helpful?
I will continue to the masters no matter what but I just wanted to know if with the Post Bac, I could see about some entry level work while continue my studies.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:48 pm to Martini
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Learn how to swing a hammer, read a set of drawings and properly run a project.
If you request paperwork from me expect me to want your documents in a timely fashion as well. Learn how to actually schedule a job and not just color coordinate a schedule and expect it to be adhered too. Turn the invoice in on time and hound the architect or owner to pay on time and you be sure invoices are paid on time.
Don't frick with me on MY money. Pay me timely and you will get a lot in return. Treat people with respect and be honest and maybe we can get along.
Out of probably several hundred I've dealt with I can say 6 are very good at what they do. And they are treated very well by me.
All of this is very very true, and I was guilty of committing many of these sins right out of the gate. It's a very humbling career. You're going to be wrong. You're going to get shite on. You're going to get your arse handed to you by people with an 8th grade education, but if you're humble, ambitious, willing to learn, and take the time to get to know everyone on your job, you will learn and your crew will run through a brick wall for you as you will need to do for them from time to time.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:52 pm to Manored77
One class left in the pbc program. Updated resume with the pbc (completion Aug '16)...and I got a job offer in my Finance degree for a Policy Analyst position. Weird shite, supposedly the project management aspect swayed them towards offering me the position.
It's like dating another girl makes the girl you wanted originally, but shot you down, to finally want you.
I'd say do it, and use their networking to get in somewhere (not many locals in the pbc program)
Also, classes are easy,frick the 100 pages of reading, just watch the lecture and have the slides open during tests and you should land an A in each course except maybe statics.
It's like dating another girl makes the girl you wanted originally, but shot you down, to finally want you.
I'd say do it, and use their networking to get in somewhere (not many locals in the pbc program)
Also, classes are easy,frick the 100 pages of reading, just watch the lecture and have the slides open during tests and you should land an A in each course except maybe statics.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:52 pm to Martini
Boom
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:53 pm to kingbob
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All of this is very very true, and I was guilty of committing many of these sins right out of the gate. It's a very humbling career. You're going to be wrong. You're going to get shite on. You're going to get your arse handed to you by people with an 8th grade education, but if you're humble, ambitious, willing to learn, and take the time to get to know everyone on your job, you will learn and your crew will run through a brick wall for you as you will need to do for them from time to time.
I will do what it takes. If it means loading up sheet rock, I'll do it. I don't want to come in like a college guy with all books and no practical experience either.
I want to be in the field and learn from people in the field. I just want to get in there and am hoping the investment is right.
But since you said that the CM program is highly sought after by the industry then I will stick it out and make sure I make it out. I would love to get recruited out the door.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:53 pm to Manored77
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Now I don't mean to harp on this but is the post bac the same basic courses as the bachelors? It's six core courses. They seem to tackle the basics and upon finishing, according to my adviser, I would be eligible to take the Associate Constructor LEvel 1 exam with the American Institute of Constructors. Is that helpful?
It's pretty similar, but slightly more compressed. The best part is you get to miss out on all of the bullshite gen-ed classes and engineering classes which are completely unrelated to what you'll be doing.
The AIC exam isn't very important, but now LSU requires it to graduate. It doesn't hurt your resume, but most employers, at least locally, don't give two shits about it. When I was graduating, it wasn't required to pass (only to take it), and most didn't pass it. In fact, since it was a 2 part exam at the Safety Council by Twin Peaks, we all went over there during our lunch break and got shite-housed en-masse.
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I will continue to the masters no matter what but I just wanted to know if with the Post Bac, I could see about some entry level work while continue my studies.
Doing both is completely unnecessary and absolutely redundant. Just pick bachelors or masters. If you want another degree after getting a bachelor or masters in CM, make it an MBA, but don't get the MBA until you've been working in the field for a few years. LSU offers an executive MBA and some of the PM's were paid to do it while working so they could move up to take VP spots.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:56 pm to Kujo
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One class left in the pbc program. Updated resume with the pbc (completion Aug '16)...and I got a job offer in my Finance degree for a Policy Analyst position. Weird shite, supposedly the project management aspect swayed them towards offering me the position.
It's like dating another girl makes the girl you wanted originally, but shot you down, to finally want you.
I'd say do it, and use their networking to get in somewhere (not many locals in the pbc program)
Also, classes are easy,frick the 100 pages of reading, just watch the lecture and have the slides open during tests and you should land an A in each course except maybe statics.
Kujo, are you planning to stick with the post bac or go on to the masters? I wanted to at least find some work in the field before going on to the masters. Do you find it's a bit more difficult or should I just go on to the masters as Kingbob said?
Did you get any offers from actual AEC firms Arch,engineering, construction?
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:56 pm to Manored77
How old are you? Cam can be extremely challenging. Projects always get behind, and in heavy industrial, that could mean working 7 12 hr shifts during the summers. It is a very time consuming career, but also very interesting. I have made a ton of cash, have a ton of experiance, but the constant travel has worn me out. I am looking at my MBA to diversify. I just can't be gone that much and miss my kids lives.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:56 pm to kingbob
quote:Are you in CIAC?
kingbob
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:58 pm to J Murdah
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kingbob
Are you in CIAC?
Actually, no. My company said they'd sponsor me, but they forgot about it and so did I
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:00 pm to kingbob
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Doing both is completely unnecessary and absolutely redundant. Just pick bachelors or masters. If you want another degree after getting a bachelor or masters in CM, make it an MBA, but don't get the MBA until you've been working in the field for a few years. LSU offers an executive MBA and some of the PM's were paid to do it while working so they could move up to take VP spots.
In order to do the masters, since I don't have an engineering or construction background, I have to take the Post Bac first, get a 3.0 and then I can move on to the masters.
That's why I am trying to make the crucial decision to either stay with the post bac if it's sufficient to land entry level work or move forward with the masters.
But in your opinion given the similarities, would an employer view the post bac in the same manner as someone with the bachelors in CM? If so, that would be a great help.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 10:02 pm to Manored77
What is the post bac? I don't even know what that is
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