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Complex Systems Won’t Survive the Competence Crisis
Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:00 pm
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At a casual glance, the recent cascades of American disasters might seem unrelated. In a span of fewer than six months in 2017, three U.S. Naval warships experienced three separate collisions resulting in 17 deaths. A year later, powerlines owned by PG&E started a wildfire that killed 85 people. The pipeline carrying almost half of the East Coast’s gasoline shut down due to a ransomware attack. Almost half a million intermodal containers sat on cargo ships unable to dock at Los Angeles ports. A train carrying thousands of tons of hazardous and flammable chemicals derailed near East Palestine, Ohio. Air Traffic Control cleared a FedEx plane to land on a runway occupied by a Southwest plane preparing to take off. Eye drops contaminated with antibiotic-resistant bacteria killed four and blinded fourteen.
The author states in this article from Palladium Magazine that we will increasingly witness accidents across the nation due to diminishing qualified personnel in various sectors of our society. The author argues the alarming increase in disasters can be attributed to a lowering of standards in hiring practices of organizations in the hopes that we'll have a more diverse workforce.
In a phrase, "Fewer qualified operators, more operator errors."
I believe we're seeing a more diverse workforce right now. What are the OT's thoughts?
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Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:03 pm to FeauxPaw
I think it has very little to do with diversity in hiring.
I think the elephant in the room is that a lot of people who shouldn't be having kids have been having kids for 20-30 years now, and those kids are now working important jobs.
White, black, brown, yellow, red, we've got an incompetent workforce all around.
I think the elephant in the room is that a lot of people who shouldn't be having kids have been having kids for 20-30 years now, and those kids are now working important jobs.
White, black, brown, yellow, red, we've got an incompetent workforce all around.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:11 pm to Odysseus32
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we've got an incompetent workforce all around
The recent generations have also been marching to the drum of “work life balance” nonstop, and I don’t know that they’ve ever been taught to work hard and try to be the best at what they do. They’re the IDGAF generations.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:11 pm to FeauxPaw
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The author argues the alarming increase in disasters
Does the author provide evidence of this premise?
Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:16 pm to TheHarahanian
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The recent generations have also been marching to the drum of “work life balance” nonstop, and I don’t know that they’ve ever been taught to work hard and try to be the best at what they do. They’re the IDGAF generations.
What terrifies me is these are the people who will be caring for us in our later years.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:18 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
From the perspective of the railroad industry, this is absolutely true. The standards in hiring have completely fallen off a cliff. They'll hire felons, drug addicts, high school dropouts. Anyone who shows up. It's very sad.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:20 pm to FeauxPaw
Have you ever been involved in a government contract bid? It is really hard, if not impossible, for the best solution to win. It's not even just the pointless stuff that I hope they will now remove, it's lowest bid tendencies and poorly written requirements that make it hard to see that so many respondents actually have no idea how they will meet the ask.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:24 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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Following three completely avoidable collisions of U.S. Navy warships in 2017 and a fire in 2020 that resulted in the scuttling of USS Bonhomme Richard, a $750 million amphibious assault craft, two retired marines conducted off-the-record interviews with 77 current and retired Navy officers. One recurring theme was the prioritization of diversity training over ship handling and warfighting preparedness. Many of them openly admit that, given current issues, the U.S. would likely lose an open naval engagement with China. Instead of taking the criticism to heart, the Navy commissioned “Task Force One Navy,” which recommended deemphasizing or eliminating meritocratic tests like the Officer Aptitude Rating to boost diversity. Absent an existential challenge, U.S. military preparedness is likely to continue to degrade.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:24 pm to Odysseus32
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White, black, brown, yellow, red, we've got an incompetent workforce all around
The importation of tens of millions of people from every culture around the world has lowered the standard for native whites. Right now, somewhere in this country, a white girl is referring to her bf as "baby daddy".
Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:27 pm to FeauxPaw
Not sure why this is on the OT and not on the Politard board.. but if you would get your heads out of your asses you would realize that this is TRUMP’S AMERICA and this type of chaos is precisely what you voted for .
Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:32 pm to AlterDWI
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From the perspective of the railroad industry, this is absolutely true. The standards in hiring have completely fallen off a cliff. They'll hire felons, drug addicts, high school dropouts. Anyone who shows up. It's very sad.
Maybe they should offer higher pay to attract better candidates. They have the money, Union Pacific had nearly 7 billion in net income last year.
They’ve spent over 2 billion between 2023 and 2024 simply buying their own stock.
I guess that could have gone to increasing recruitment and training but I guess they’re good with hiring felons and high school dropouts for cheap instead.
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:33 pm to BK Lounge
This isn’t a topic for weak, novice trolling. I would prefer us to have serious discussion about this.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:35 pm to Odysseus32
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I think the elephant in the room is that a lot of people who shouldn't be having kids have been having kids for 20-30 years now, and those kids are now working important jobs.
I see this is getting downvoted, but I think this sums up a lot of problems. This is just an example, but think about the pain pill addiction that started in the late 90s. That's something that doesn't get the attention it should have, but there have been a lot of kids whose mothers were addicts at the time they gave birth.
I know someone who is now clean, but was absolutely an addict when she had her son. Its not like addicts stop when they are pregnant, but the child is now in middle school. The kid looks spaced out. Doesn't interact unless someone interacts with him first. From what I understand he has anger issues, but you can just look in his eyes and the kid is just off in his own world. Does the fact his mother was an addict when she had him have anything to do with it? I am not a doctor, I have no clue, but I have to think it could cause some development problems.
You talk to a teacher (especially one at a public school) for more than 10 mins and its obvious the kids today live in a completely different world and they all have some kind of problem (some diagnosed by the parent. Someone told me about a kid they had whose mom referred to them as having "undiagnosed autism").
I had a conversation with someone who was telling me that at his job they had recently hired a group of young people for a specific job. Young as in early to mid 20s. Long story short he was saying that he and his coworkers have come to the conclusion that people today.. Anyone under the age of 30 live in a completely different world in terms of how they view their job, the entitlement they have, etc. He was saying that normally when a bunch of guys are together, the conversation is the usual shite. Sports, girls, joking around with each other.. But these under 30s today talk about video games, playing Pokémon.
I absolutely believe that an incompetent workforce all around is a problem and its only going to get worse as more and more of these kids today get into the work force. When you have dudes in their mid 20s calling their mom from work to tell her what clothes they need washed. If they can't even take care of their own day to day shite.. How can you count on them to do their job?
Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:37 pm to FeauxPaw
Less about DEI, and more about just less people. (Demographics)
Covid loss accelerated a already strained workforce.
It's tough here, but in China, it will br an absolute shitshow.
Covid loss accelerated a already strained workforce.
It's tough here, but in China, it will br an absolute shitshow.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:39 pm to FeauxPaw
Its already throughout in every medical field.
This post was edited on 2/1/25 at 5:38 am
Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:41 pm to FeauxPaw
This has nothing to do with diversity. It has everything to do with companies and governments squeezing their employees and not wanting to pay more in the name of margins and budgets.
You don’t pay, the talent leaves for someone who will. That leaves less qualified people at the helm.
You don’t pay, the talent leaves for someone who will. That leaves less qualified people at the helm.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:41 pm to calcotron
LPTA is a joke, and no one on the planet is lazier than a government Procurement person.
That's ok, they're removing small businesses as quickly as they can and GWACing everything.
That's ok, they're removing small businesses as quickly as they can and GWACing everything.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:54 pm to FeauxPaw
Could it also be due to the complexity of these technologies/jobs becoming much harder to learn and fully understand?
In terms of engineering, sure the basics are the same but the curriculums are vastly different than years ago.
Undergraduate courses now were considered graduate/advanced a few decades ago. Can you really expect a student to master thermodynamics, fluids, programming, mechanics of materials all with only a semesters study in each, packed with 4-5 other hard classes at the same time?
I know this is long but in my experience they should have spent more time getting students to master the fundamentals, rather than try to barely touch on more complex theories.
I can’t touch on other fields but my experience is that students will forfeit mastery of subjects to be able to stay afloat due to the workload of current classes. This is also attributed to online homework which will be the demise of the profession.
In terms of engineering, sure the basics are the same but the curriculums are vastly different than years ago.
Undergraduate courses now were considered graduate/advanced a few decades ago. Can you really expect a student to master thermodynamics, fluids, programming, mechanics of materials all with only a semesters study in each, packed with 4-5 other hard classes at the same time?
I know this is long but in my experience they should have spent more time getting students to master the fundamentals, rather than try to barely touch on more complex theories.
I can’t touch on other fields but my experience is that students will forfeit mastery of subjects to be able to stay afloat due to the workload of current classes. This is also attributed to online homework which will be the demise of the profession.
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 8:56 pm
Posted on 1/31/25 at 9:10 pm to jcaz
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This has nothing to do with diversity. It has everything to do with companies and governments squeezing their employees and not wanting to pay more in the name of margins and budgets
Margins and budgets have always existed, even for the Apollo program.
Why is it now that the planes are falling from the sky?
Posted on 1/31/25 at 9:17 pm to Odysseus32
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White, black, brown, yellow, red, we've got an incompetent workforce all around.
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Odysseus32
Sounding a little like Vivek.
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