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re: Companies that invest in ESG perform better on the stock market

Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:39 pm to
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
16189 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:39 pm to
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The people who program it to give you that bullshite answer are also the ones telling AI to give the answer.


GIGO: Garbage In, Garbage Out. Some of us learned that in elementary school.
Posted by LSU_postman
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
2956 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:46 pm to
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GIGO: Garbage In, Garbage Out. Some of us learned that in elementary school.


That was way back when they taught kids how to read/write and do arithmetic.

Instead of how to perform oral sex on same sex buddies in safe spaces. And helped them fill out surveys on pronouns on the first week of school.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
86173 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:55 pm to
ESG is obviously FORWARD (!!) looking infallible science. In China for instance companies and individuals who defy State dictate seem to get very bad results. I can see how corporations in America and very soon private individuals who defy State dictate might end up virtually penniless. That’s why we must all give up all our individual liberties and do what our Democrat Party pseudo parents and their partners in tech , finance and business tell us to do.
Posted by jclem11
Chief Nihilist
Member since Nov 2011
9767 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:58 pm to
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Love ET's 49 ESG score almost as much as their >19% payout (based on my buy in)


Don't forget to save some of those sweet debt financed distributions for all that ordinary gain you'll get taxed on when you sell out of it.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30523 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:04 pm to
I see a major contradiction in your post:

quote:

Make me money.


OK

quote:

The fact that Fidelity, BlackRock, etc., invest billions in these dickhead companies with DEI initiatives does not make the companies in question make more money.


But those can still make you money if you own the stock which is your lead despite their lower earnings due to DEI specifically because the big money is pumping them.

Would you rather a company make more profit themselves or make you more money owning the stock?

Those are potentially at odds on some moral or idealogical level but if "frick that Make me money" is the paradigm then corps that attract money in the form of BlackRock et al may fit that bill better than companies that are leaner without DEI/ESG despite their high profits. Are you the Machiavelli or St. Vincent when it comes to your portfolio?
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
16189 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:10 pm to
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But those can still make you money if you own the stock


But they arguably would provide me more profit without extensive spending on DEI, and the costs to the workforce in taking the associated training, as well as deleting all those emails.

Make the maximum profit possible. Do I want cadmium spilled in the Mississippi? No. But as a Coast Guard port captain schooled me decades ago, it's in the best interests of Exxon to not spill oil out of a tanker even without outside regulation.
Posted by funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
9144 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:23 pm to
Basic bubble dynamics…


Create an artificial demand, pump that demand, take the initial returns from that pump and use it to sell your artificial demand as a legitimate one, keep pumping until you get as many rubes as possible to buy in, then dump and leave those same rubes holding the bag.


Add to the fact that tech company stocks are disproportionately represented in ESG funds, and it makes all the sense in the world why Google would want people to think that the funds are inherently superior. They’re just trying to pump their own stock in a way that is disconnected from any underlying dynamics. Same as every other bubble that’s ever existed
This post was edited on 8/30/23 at 3:28 pm
Posted by SeeeeK
some where
Member since Sep 2012
30763 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:26 pm to
Lol
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
64370 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:26 pm to
It's wishcasting. They're trying to influence how you invest by projecting the result they want instead of reality. It's a sly deception. The news media does it all the time.
Posted by TigerHornII
Member since Feb 2021
1161 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:38 pm to
Cherry picked data dominated by the FAANG's. Now do Ford from 1995-present (woke before it was cool under Jacques Nasser, who famously told a gathering of all company senior staff in N America "I see too many white male faces here" among numerous other transgressions. ) or Disney, who hasn't paid a divi in ages that used to be considered an inviolable right of DIS shareholders.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
73693 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:43 pm to
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Taking a course on AI from Google


A renowned and universally respected source of unbiased and truthful information for sure.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30523 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:51 pm to
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But they arguably would provide me more profit without extensive spending on DEI, and the costs to the workforce in taking the associated training, as well as deleting all those emails.


Then you are arguing against the information in the OP. I don't know if it is true or not but if the big institutional investors are buying less profitable companies it drives the price up. The money they spend on DEI is apparently making their stock go up.
Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
Member since Sep 2018
36174 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 4:04 pm to
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A renowned and universally respected source of unbiased and truthful information for sure.



Funny that you mention that since one of their "core principles" is to root out "unfair bias" from AI. The example they gave was Video surveillance being backed by AI software that would recognize potential miscreants.
Posted by tango029
Member since Dec 2022
531 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 4:08 pm to
I would posit it has more to do with the companies themselves than any lip service to ESG.

This is the top 10 of the weighted ESG S&P 500 index. It's a virtual who's who of powerful companies (NVDA alone has probably pushed this fund up 10%).
Apple Inc.
AAPL
Information Technology
Microsoft Corp
MSFT
Information Technology
Amazon.com Inc
AMZN
Consumer Discretionary
Nvidia Corp
NVDA
Information Technology
Alphabet Inc A
GOOGL
Communication Services
Tesla, Inc
TSLA
Consumer Discretionary
Alphabet Inc C
GOOG
Communication Services
Unitedhealth Group Inc
UNH
Health Care
JP Morgan Chase & Co
JPM
Financials
Visa Inc A
V
Financials
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