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re: Colorado deputies shoot and kill man who asked for help after car crash
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:37 am to crazy4lsu
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:37 am to crazy4lsu
quote:For a person lunging at them with a knife in his hand?
Again, their only option is to use deadly force then?
Yes, I know I left out some steps but I did that intentionally because you did as well.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 11:38 am
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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But did any of the LEOs make this their stated concern?
I know this is a meme that's developed within this thread the past few pages to defend the LEOs, but did any of the actual LEOs make this argument in real time?
Holy frick.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:38 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:. Not sure how emergency services are handled in England but he may not have expected more than a tow. Cops may not be as proactive there.
We learned when we were children that calling 911 is used for emergency circumstances, not as a directory service.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:38 am to Dizz
quote:Seems like a simple safety procedure, it's safer to remove the person from the vehicle/weapons then to allow the person to grab the weapons and throw them out the window.
Did they think he was going to execute a Rambo knife throw and hurt someone? It would have been to simple to just move from that side of the car and let him throw them out but then 20 cops wouldn't have had a reason to show up.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:39 am to UpToPar
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No, but that's not what we're discussing. I think most people agree that they could have gone about removing him from the vehicle better. Some are arguing that it was not necessary to remove him from the vehicle at all.
But not removing him from the vehicle might be the right move until they can identify what exactly is going on. If he’s having a mental health episode, rarely is violence the correct way of dealing with it.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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But did any of the LEOs make this their stated concern?
I don't know. I saw the same edited video that you did, which appears to have been edited and published by his parents' attorneys. I didn't see any mention on the video that they suspected he was impaired, but I also didn't see much conversation between the cops on the video. Most of the video shows conversations between the cops and the driver.
But does that really matter? Does one cop have to say to another cop that they suspect him of being impaired for it to be a crime?
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:39 am to shel311
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Oh shite, you left a drugged up person having a mental issue after crashing his car, and he went on to kill himself or worse, others. Now what?
a. The hypothetical was after he sobered up so he's not "drugged out" at that point
b. LEO had no threats so the "mental issue" part wasn't enough to arrest him, either
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:39 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I like how the dude having a mental issue who crashed his car admitted to smoking something is now NOT a reason to not leave him there but just a "meme"
I know this is a meme that's developed
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:40 am to 777Tiger
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They very clearly could not have left.
That doesn't seem to be what the SP supervisor said/implied.
obviously some sort of issue with the guy in the vehicle but imo the cops goaded, taunted, and provoked the guy into getting the outcome that they wanted
The police, that the dude called for help, showed up to help. The next thing to do is to get out of the vehicle, which the cops asked him to do. Not to mention, the vehicle is stuck, obviously you're going to have to get out of the vehicle. Did he think the cops were going to show up, get his vehicle back on the road, and have no interaction with him? This isn’t Mario cart where your vehicle magically plops back on the road. If anything, this dude taunted and goaded the police. Especially at the point when he has the knife in his hand. Why would you pick up the knife, what good could come from that?
It would be interesting to know this dudes history. Cops were not justified by any means to shoot him, but it very well could have been his goal.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:41 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:What about the admission of smoking when asked if he was on something and crashing his car?
b. LEO had no threats so the "mental issue" part wasn't enough to arrest him, either
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:41 am to UpToPar
quote:
But does that really matter? D
Yes.
If LEO on the scene weren't using impairment as a justification, then there is none left
quote:
Does one cop have to say to another cop that they suspect him of being impaired for it to be a crime?
They have to justify the detention and escalation.
That's why it appears the LEO communicating with their supervisor confirm (along with the later statements) no crime is suspected. That's the first question and why the supervisor basically says there's no reason to engage.
If intoxication were the main concern, that seems like it would have been communicated (at the scene, after in the press, etc.).
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:41 am to shel311
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Yes, I know I left out some steps but I did that intentionally because you did as well.
Well why did I? Or rather, what is the primary issue, the mental health episode or the possibility of potential violence?
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:42 am to mmcgrath
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He called 911. That shouldn't be considered a call for cops. Maybe we should enable dispatchers to call tow trucks.
He probably shouldn't have put so much urgency into his call then.
You have to admit the original call is a bit weird, he was so afraid to step out of the car, yet he also claimed to be a rockhound too.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 11:43 am
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:42 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
. Not sure how emergency services are handled in England but he may not have expected more than a tow. Cops may not be as proactive there.
They have 112 and 999. Emergency numbers for emergencies.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:42 am to crazy4lsu
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But not removing him from the vehicle might be the right move until they can identify what exactly is going on.
They were out there for over an hour. I think they had a pretty good idea what was going on. I raised this question earlier, how long do you wait? The bald headed guy in the shorts seemed to be the most calm and approaching it the correct way. IMO, they others should have backed off and let him keep talking and I bet he would have convinced the driver to come out.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:43 am to mmcgrath
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What are the cops doing there? The dude called them, didn't he?
He called 911. That shouldn't be considered a call for cops. Maybe we should enable dispatchers to call tow trucks.
Maybe we should teach people how to respond to a simple command, like getting out of the vehicle. Not only that, you have to get out of it to either evaluate the situation or let someone else handle the situation for you. Regardless, he needed to get out of the vehicle.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:43 am to shel311
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I like how the dude having a mental issue who crashed his car admitted to smoking something is now NOT a reason to not leave him there but just a "meme"
If the LEO didn't cite/state this as a concern, then it's a message board meme.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:43 am to shel311
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What about the admission of smoking when asked if he was on something and crashing his car?
Again, this is a hypothetical where they wait with him so long he sobers up. At that point, it's irrelevant.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:44 am to UpToPar
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They were out there for over an hour.
I've watched a cop sit in a parking lot for over an hour.
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I raised this question earlier, how long do you wait?
Longer than they did.
Posted on 9/14/22 at 11:44 am to Dizz
https://twitter.com/SteveStaeger/status/1569655843234238465
Anyone read that?
quote:
In a 911 call, obtained by 9NEWS, 22-year-old Glass tells the call taker that he's stuck. He also appears to be delusional and paranoid, saying he's seeing skin-walkers and he might have to go kill them.
Anyone read that?
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