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re: Colleges in Louisiana can no longer ask applicants about their criminal history
Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:23 pm to Collegedropout
Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:23 pm to Collegedropout
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there's just a little difference between two drunk college students hooking up, and some violent criminals finding and raping a girl.
I'll just come out and say it. one is rape, the other is not. my female would agree.
Honestly it's whoever reports the other person first that almost always wins. The ultimate Prisoners Dilemma.
Eta, especially in this new era where the accused has no right to face his accuser and where due process has much more in common with the Inquisition than "justice". Look up the Amherst sexual assaults case for reference.
This post was edited on 6/7/17 at 2:26 pm
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Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:24 pm to NYNolaguy1
I've never heard of a female getting in trouble for this.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:25 pm to Will Cover
Good call. The alternative would be to keep people with a criminal history from getting a college education and bettering themselves. At least those that wish to pursue a college education
Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:25 pm to NYNolaguy1
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If you think the frat boys will treat them "nicely" you might want to re-evaluate their life choices for them.
Call me crazy, but I don't think the majority of college boys that are in fraternities have been convicted and served time for rape, domestic abuse or assault.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:26 pm to Will Cover
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Call me crazy, but I don't think the majority of college boys that are in fraternities have been convicted and served time for rape, domestic abuse or assault.
Yet. You need to pay more attention to the current rape crisis our colleges across the country are dealing with.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:27 pm to LSUJML
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my child shared a dorm room with a convicted felon.
It probably would have been pretty cool. I would have loved to learn how to do criminal shite like hotwire cars and pick locks.
All my roommate freshman year did was drink beer and skip class. He was pretty lame.
This post was edited on 6/7/17 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:27 pm to Will Cover
I feel like this is a good thing. I'd much rather felons attempt to get their life straight, than turn back to a life of crime.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:32 pm to Will Cover
If they can get accepted into college, I'm fine with it. Gives them a chance to better themselves. For the most part this will probably only benefit a few people with a criminal history, pretty sure guys like this are too stupid to get into college anyway:
Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:32 pm to Will Cover
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Call me crazy, but I don't think the majority of college boys that are in fraternities have been convicted and served time for rape, domestic abuse or assault.
well yea but the guys statement was a little ridiculous. omg my little 18 year old baby cant be in the same building as someone that went to prison.
might as well live at home and never leave
Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:39 pm to NYNolaguy1
You're either a moron or a moron with a record.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 2:46 pm to 19
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You're either a moron or a moron with a record.
Yup. You got me. Your kids have to grow up sometime man. If they can't survive in the outside world it's no one else's fault but the parents.
This post was edited on 6/7/17 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 6/7/17 at 3:45 pm to Will Cover
What about for nursing programs? I had to have a background check and get fingerprinted before I could be accepted into a nursing program. And if you had any sort of criminal background (including numerous traffic violations)...you had to be specially approved by the nursing board at the school for admission.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 3:51 pm to lsunurse
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What about for nursing programs? I had to have a background check and get fingerprinted before I could be accepted into a nursing program. And if you had any sort of criminal background (including numerous traffic violations)...you had to be specially approved by the nursing board at the school for admission.
I'd bet that's because you get a professional license to practice as a result of your degree. Each licensing board (law, engineering, medicine, etc) has their own set of rules separate from the college.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 3:53 pm to NYNolaguy1
Just meant can a college still ask about criminal background if the person is applying to a program like that?
Posted on 6/7/17 at 3:56 pm to lsunurse
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Just meant can a college still ask about criminal background if the person is applying to a program like that?
I don't know. There was a similar process (background check) for engineering, but it was post degree and through the state licensing board itself.
If I had to guess they might let you finish the course on the understanding you'll have to appeal to the board for certification/licensure.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 3:57 pm to Will Cover
I can understand the argument about allowing people to better themselves, but what about the kid who got busted selling drugs and now wants to major in pharmacy?
It's not a violent crime. Should we allow this?
It seems to me that this bill has the potential to be overly-broad. I think they need to get even more specific about what crimes are acceptable for convicts who want to go to college, and identify if certain colleges/departments/programs etc. should be off-limits.
The only harm I see in this bill is if the bill is not specific enough, allowing for the wrong type of person to slip through the cracks at the wrong place.
Neither convicts nor colleges are one-size-fits-all. If the bill isn't specific enough, veto it and start over.
It's not a violent crime. Should we allow this?
It seems to me that this bill has the potential to be overly-broad. I think they need to get even more specific about what crimes are acceptable for convicts who want to go to college, and identify if certain colleges/departments/programs etc. should be off-limits.
The only harm I see in this bill is if the bill is not specific enough, allowing for the wrong type of person to slip through the cracks at the wrong place.
Neither convicts nor colleges are one-size-fits-all. If the bill isn't specific enough, veto it and start over.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 3:59 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Asking about a possible convicted felon is not the same as not allowing them to go to school. Just because they answer yes does not mean they won't get into college.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 4:01 pm to NYNolaguy1
Well part of nursing school is your clinicals where you are directly caring for patients under supervision of your instructor. So that is part of why you had to have all that checked out before you could even be accepted into the program.
Ex: You have a history of illegal narcotic drug possession....well nursing isn't the profession for you because of the access to narcotics.
Ex: You have a history of illegal narcotic drug possession....well nursing isn't the profession for you because of the access to narcotics.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 4:04 pm to SpqrTiger
The pharmacy board wouldn't give him a license to become a pharmacists, seems pretty simple. How many people are going to spend $100k to go to pharmacy school and not be able to actually be a pharmacist? It's a bill for the admissions department not the state licensing boards.
Now I think a couple things should have to be disclosed, such as manslaughter or higher murder, rape, aggravated assault, maybe certain felony thefts.
Now I think a couple things should have to be disclosed, such as manslaughter or higher murder, rape, aggravated assault, maybe certain felony thefts.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 4:07 pm to Sidicous
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What if colleges turn this around and use it as an excuse to jack up fees again?
They're going to do it anyway. Good for them if they can use an excuse for it
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