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re: College student kicked off plane for speaking Arabic on phone
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:15 am to UnAnon
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:15 am to UnAnon
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I speak Rabbles of Germans and I'll say a bit to my friends in person or on the phone. Doubt as a white male I would ever get kicked off a plane for doing so.
Last I checked, the Germans didn't fly hijacked airplanes into the twin towers.
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Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:16 am to Fun Bunch
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ualified it with a common phrase in Arabic, "inshallah," meaning "God willing."
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Let's not pretend like you wouldn't have a momentary pants-shitting moment if you heard this on a plane.
How would you know what it means?
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:17 am to Cooter Davenport
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Last I checked, the Germans didn't fly hijacked airplanes into the twin towers.
No, they just threw people in ovens and committed other means of mass torture/genocide.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:17 am to Clyde Tipton
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So... The security plans in place worked?
They're already groping little kids, asking this guy what he was talking about in a foreign language does not seem out of line.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:20 am to LSUTANGERINE
better to be safe than sorry
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:20 am to lsu2006
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Not blindly assuming anyone speaking Arabic is a terrorist = PC now?
I'm not saying it's right. I'm just pointing out that it's not uncommon (as you can see from numerous posts in this thread by multiple people) that when people on a plane see someone who looks to be of middle eastern decent speaking in Arabic, they get a bit worried.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:20 am to statman34
I’m conflicted on this issue.
On one hand, this is awful for the guy who was clearly doing nothing wrong. I would be pretty pissed off, especially since they wouldn’t even put me on another Southwest plane or apologize.
On the other hand, I admittedly would’ve been a bit weirded out if I was next to the guy. He clearly saw the woman getting uncomfortable from his conversation and knew exactly why and could’ve said something in English to her to calm her down like “Ma’am I apologize for using my phone, just had to talk to my uncle before we took off”. It’s the world we live in, like it or not.
I think both sides could’ve used some common sense. Profiling works. It sucks and has negative consequences like this, but it works. The world just needs more common sense.
Most surprising thing about this story: The Southwest gate employee attempted to speak Arabic with the guy
On one hand, this is awful for the guy who was clearly doing nothing wrong. I would be pretty pissed off, especially since they wouldn’t even put me on another Southwest plane or apologize.
On the other hand, I admittedly would’ve been a bit weirded out if I was next to the guy. He clearly saw the woman getting uncomfortable from his conversation and knew exactly why and could’ve said something in English to her to calm her down like “Ma’am I apologize for using my phone, just had to talk to my uncle before we took off”. It’s the world we live in, like it or not.
I think both sides could’ve used some common sense. Profiling works. It sucks and has negative consequences like this, but it works. The world just needs more common sense.
Most surprising thing about this story: The Southwest gate employee attempted to speak Arabic with the guy
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:21 am to Cooter Davenport
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Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:22 am to LSUTANGERINE
I fly internationally and even often with arabic speaking individuals *gasp*. This is ridiculous. The only time I have ever been slightly concerned was on an overnight Turkish flight from Istanbul to IAH. Flying first class and each seat has a small bench that a passenger could have a visitor in. While all passengers were busy sleeping the two men sitting by the window held a four man meeting speaking Arabic. Didn't help that it likely was a business deal they were discussing and would continuously remind the other to lower his voice and would go back to talking in an inner circle. Oh and I suppose they were tired of sitting for 6 hours so they stood up to have the conversation. I think that warrants concern. To be even concerned that someone spoke Arabic to a relative before or after a flight is completely obtuse.
I think that warrants concern. To be even concerned that someone spoke Arabic to a relative before or after a flight is completely obtuse.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:22 am to lsu2006
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Not blindly assuming anyone speaking Arabic is a terrorist = PC now?
Easier said than done, and even a dumbass like LSUTANGERINE knows that. Every one of these terrorist events has opportunities where it could have been spoiled if someone somewhere would have reported things. I don't fault the woman for bringing it to the flight crew's attention when a Middle Eastern man hangs up a call with a phrase that sounds similar to the textbook terrorist slogan.
People are on edge, and rightfully so in many cases. A private investigation into the matter is not the end of the world.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:23 am to UnAnon
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I speak Rabbles of Germans and I'll say a bit to my friends in person or on the phone. Doubt as a white male I would ever get kicked off a plane for doing so.
I'm sure all she heard was "Allah rabblerabble Allah rabblerabble Allah".
While I'm sure him being darker skinned didn't help, but those are the buzzwords you don't want to hear coming from the middle-eastern looking fella next to you on a plane about to take off
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:25 am to Fun Bunch
quote:Having spent time in Syria and hearing and saying "inshallah" on a daily basis, no, I wouldn't shite my pants. It's used just like you'd say "hopefully so" or "I hope" in English. It's not a big deal at all
Let's not pretend like you wouldn't have a momentary pants-shitting moment if you heard this on a plane.
edit: I understand that most people don't realize that this is a very common expression in Arabic, but if you freak out just because someone is speaking Arabic on a plane, you might need to take a look at yourself and why you feel like that. Maybe talk to some Arabs and get to know them.
This post was edited on 4/18/16 at 11:26 am
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:25 am to Signature
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To be even concerned that someone spoke Arabic to a relative before or after a flight is completely obtuse.
Nah, I think it is pretty obtuse to act like this woman was supposed to know it was a casual conversation with a relative.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:27 am to slackster
quote:Why would you ever jump to the assumption that someone speaking Arabic is intending to do something dastardly? Making that assumption is stupid.
Nah, I think it is pretty obtuse to act like this woman was supposed to know it was a casual conversation with a relative.
Seriously LOL at people immediately assuming that someone speaking Arabic is going to murder them.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:28 am to Hog on the Hill
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I understand that most people don't realize that this is a very common expression in Arabic, but if you freak out just because someone is speaking Arabic on a plane, you might need to take a look at yourself and why you feel like that. Maybe talk to some Arabs and get to know them.
I don't think anyone is condoning the woman's actions, but it shouldn't take much effort to understand why she was nervous and concerned.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:28 am to SabiDojo
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No, they just threw people in ovens and committed other means of mass torture/genocide
Which is why we still have military bases in their country.
But they didn't commit acts of terrorism in the United States, Muslims did. Which is why we kick them off of our planes when they start their terrorism talk.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:28 am to slackster
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I don't think anyone is condoning the woman's actions
I am. Get off of our planes with that garbage.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:29 am to slackster
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Nah, I think it is pretty obtuse to act like this woman was supposed to know it was a casual conversation with a relative.
Really? So it was more logical to assume he was a radical terrorist due to his native tongue? Disagree, sir.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:29 am to slackster
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Nah, I think it is pretty obtuse to act like this woman was supposed to know it was a casual conversation with a relative.
Why? If the guy is rocking back and forth, sweating, mumbling under his breath and clutching a Koran, it's one thing. I'm sorry, but I wouldn't worry in the least if a guy is just sitting there talking on his phone in a language that resembles Arabic and then says something that resembles "allah". But then again, I don't live my life in constant fear. And anyway, how many people in this thread would actually even know when they hear Arabic? I'm guessing not many.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:31 am to slackster
quote:You're right, it's easy to understand why she was concerned. She's an ignorant xenophobe who was shaken to her core by the sight of a man speaking Arabic. It's ridiculous.
I don't think anyone is condoning the woman's actions, but it shouldn't take much effort to understand why she was nervous and concerned.
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