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re: Cobb Tuning pays $2.9M fine to EPA
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:30 am to White Bear
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:30 am to White Bear
Yes, for business reasons.
Put about 70k on the first one, 60 on the 20, and 15 on the 22 so far.
I figured Ford had to get this one right after the previous design disaster.
Guys are running the derated 6.7 (335hp) in the commercial trucks and getting tons of life out them per the forums
Put about 70k on the first one, 60 on the 20, and 15 on the 22 so far.
I figured Ford had to get this one right after the previous design disaster.
Guys are running the derated 6.7 (335hp) in the commercial trucks and getting tons of life out them per the forums
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:31 am to bad93ex
Have it on one of my 911…works well.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:37 am to N2cars
Thanks just asking for clarity.
I wish they’d fix the phasers on the dang 3.5 Ecoboost.
quote:you’d think but it looks to be a good engine.
I figured Ford had to get this one right after the previous design disaster
I wish they’d fix the phasers on the dang 3.5 Ecoboost.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:39 am to bad93ex
Messing with factory equipment in general is a recipe for a busted up car these days.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:40 am to N2cars
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Do you know anyone that's deleted the most recent Ford 6 7? My understanding is that it's a lot more difficult than the older ones. I can't see any reason to do it. I've owned 3 Ford 6.7's and have had great economy and power with all of them, and fortunately, no DEF issues.
The 6.7 is the main engine to get the DPF off of. And yea. I know a few people with deleted 6.7s
Here is what happens. The engine has a reconditioning process to try to keep the DPF clear. Hint.. doesn’t work reliably.
How it does this is it introduces raw diesel into the exhaust from the rear cylinders. As the DPF cloggs, and it will eventually, the unburnt fuel begins to make its way into the crankcase oil limiting its lubricating abilities.
However, that’s not the biggest issue, the back pressure will destroy the turbo seals and eventually the turbo. Metal shavings make their way from the turbo to the oil and then grind up your rod, main, and cam bearings. An issue you may not even know is happening may cost you a 10 thousand dollar 6.7 long block.
On top of that, you have to worry about your EGR cooler getting clogged and the pressure eventually busting it.
Delete the DPF and EGR and you then have an engine that will live much longer, tow happier, have lower EGTs, and get better fuel mileage.
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All of mine are under factory warranty. They've had O issues.
The problems don’t show up in the warranty period. Plus you don’t wanna delete anything anyway during the warranty. It’s 100 to 150 thousand when issues begin to arise. Some before, many more afterwards.
This post was edited on 9/23/24 at 10:44 am
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:40 am to White Bear
Yeah, I bought the first year of the 6.7...
Took a chance on a first-year design, but it was a great engine.
The Duramax is good, too, but the Cummins 6.7 in the Dodge is noisy AF. Plus, it's in a Dodge.
Took a chance on a first-year design, but it was a great engine.
The Duramax is good, too, but the Cummins 6.7 in the Dodge is noisy AF. Plus, it's in a Dodge.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:56 am to CleverUserName
Pretty much everyone i know waits until after warranty, for obvious reasons.
The 6.7 was more friendly to delete prior to 2018 was my understanding, but I haven't followed it that close. I don't disagree with your facts, but it is getting harder to delete anything, just given the regulations that are being enforced. It's more difficult to find shops that'll do it, and what if they get shut down?
I'm not saying it b/c I agree, but I can see a situation where they'll make you put all that crap back on the thing.
The 6.7 was more friendly to delete prior to 2018 was my understanding, but I haven't followed it that close. I don't disagree with your facts, but it is getting harder to delete anything, just given the regulations that are being enforced. It's more difficult to find shops that'll do it, and what if they get shut down?
I'm not saying it b/c I agree, but I can see a situation where they'll make you put all that crap back on the thing.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 11:04 am to N2cars
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Keep rollin' coal, as loud as possible.
Deleters brought this on themselves.
A few idiots
Posted on 9/23/24 at 11:06 am to bad93ex
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the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
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the regulator
"regulator"
Posted on 9/23/24 at 11:08 am to bad93ex
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Anyone else have a Cobb tuner?
I've had one in the past, switched to EcuTek before i went to Motec because they were going to stop supporting it and my tuner was getting weird.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 11:12 am to N2cars
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The 6.7 was more friendly to delete prior to 2018 was my understanding, but I haven't followed it that close. I don't disagree with your facts, but it is getting harder to delete anything, just given the regulations that are being enforced. It's more difficult to find shops that'll do it, and what if they get shut down?
Deleting the DPF is simple, you just unbolt it out of the exhaust and bolt in a straight pipe in its place. Down pipe from the turbo to the DPF stays as well as the muffler in the rear. It’s a DIY thing for me, but any local shop can do it, even if they don’t specialize in diesels.
The EGR and DEF is a little more complicated, but not major surgery.
You then plug in a programmer, set for mild tune, and off you go.
The newer ones can still be done. Same as the old ones. Not much more to it.
The stigma about it is from the people who go max tune and raise hell with it. But that’s not because of the delete, that’s the higher tune levels. Deleting the junk and getting it closer to the old 7.5 power stroke simplicity and reliability is the goal,
This post was edited on 9/23/24 at 11:17 am
Posted on 9/23/24 at 11:16 am to CleverUserName
He's correct, and I'd be surprised if I wasnt top 5 on this board in diesel engine knowledge.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 11:36 am to CleverUserName
Assume you're talking about the 7.3; Ford effed up the next two designs after that before winning w/ the 6.7, but i get your points.
And yeah, trying to pull a lot more power out of these is mistake. You'd have to raise fuel pressure to do it right, and that's whole 'nother issue.
And yeah, trying to pull a lot more power out of these is mistake. You'd have to raise fuel pressure to do it right, and that's whole 'nother issue.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 11:36 am to sidewalkside
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I knew you were gay.
At least I'm not one of those guys who gets an erection backing a Z71 into a parking spot. Feels like 50% of males in Mandeville are basically Big Rig Butters all grown up.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 2:47 pm to N2cars
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Assume you're talking about the 7.3; Ford effed up the next two designs after that before winning w/ the 6.7, but i get your points.
Yes. Meant 7.3. Not 7.5. The design that should have carried on.
The next two designs were not Ford’s. The 6.0 and 6.5 are Navistar engines.
I think Navistar is Latin for “close, but no cigar”
The 6.0 was a few cheap items, head bolts, oil cooler, and radiator, from being a very decent engine. 6.5 suffered from a few cost cutting issues as well and has about the worst reputation of them all.
This post was edited on 9/23/24 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 9/23/24 at 2:53 pm to bad93ex
What do they do with these enormous fines they collect from companies? Do they use that money to continue to operate or just line someone's pockets?
Posted on 9/23/24 at 2:58 pm to CleverUserName
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The 6.0 was a few cheap items, head bolts, oil cooler, and radiator, from being a very decent engine.
I had one and it was a nightmare until people started figuring out the sand casting issue with the cooling system. Then it was solid. I got lucky and never had head issues.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 3:14 pm to billjamin
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Then it was solid. I got lucky and never had head issues.
Most people that used it for light duty didn’t. There was the outliers though.
Mishomoto has an awesome radiator and cooling filter combo that is outstanding for that problem on those engines.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 3:35 pm to CleverUserName
Correct, that's why I mentioned they went in-house with the Scorpion design.
They figured they were catching all the hell anyway, why pay extra?
They figured they were catching all the hell anyway, why pay extra?
Posted on 9/23/24 at 3:53 pm to N2cars
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and you'd better know than any dealership won't touch them after a delete.
I never had mine tuned but have thought about it. This is one issue that's stopping me. Can the tune be reverted before you sell it or trade it in?
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