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re: CM graduate- Field Engineer or Estimator?

Posted on 3/20/17 at 6:25 pm to
Posted by shotcaller1
Member since Oct 2014
7501 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 6:25 pm to
Field engineer. Would never consider office based role out of college for any sector of construction with the exception of industrial. Even then, it depends on what you're doing.
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
67305 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 6:49 pm to
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Would never consider office based role out of college for any sector of construction with the exception of industrial. Even then, it depends on what you're doing.


I started out in Estimating for industrial with no CM degree and no field experience. Turned out fine. Had great teachers
Posted by shotcaller1
Member since Oct 2014
7501 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 6:51 pm to
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started out in Estimating for industrial with no CM degree and no field experience. Turned out fine. Had great teachers


I like to separate industrial from the others because they are less apt to pigeon hole you provided you speak up
Posted by TimeOutdoors
LA
Member since Sep 2014
12855 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 7:06 pm to
PM. You won't find many secure 40 hr week jobs in this profession unless you eventually go to work for the federal government or go the facility manager route (many of which are < 40 hours).
Posted by TDFreak
Coast to Coast - L.A. to Chicago
Member since Dec 2009
8135 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 7:29 pm to
My advice: Field Engineer. You need to see the jobsite in real life before you can make accurate estimates. Otherwise, you're just relying on other people's inputs and the software. That's easily replaceable with another CM graduate.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
30644 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 7:42 pm to
First off from an Alum, congrats and welcome. You can do a lot with your degree if you choose too.

There is no substitute for field experience. You will learn more in your first year in the field than you did in the last four in the classroom. Being able to do takeoffs is a great skill, but knowing what that information means is even more important. You won't learn that in an office.

Some advice:
- Learn to listen.
- Your degree is a huge tool. Do not flaunt it as your only tool.
- Pay attention to your tradesmen and find some that don't mind you asking questions. I found that seasoned guys will teach you a lot about the business of you ask questions and show an interest in their answers.
- On that note, learn how to talk to working people. I worked at a HVAC supply house in college. I spent a lot of time just learning how to interact with contractors. Was invaluable to be in the field.

Don't be afraid of the job. At the end of the day, you just have to build what the picture shows (which you'd be surprised at how difficult that is sometimes. )
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 7:44 pm
Posted by Porker Face
Eden Isle
Member since Feb 2012
15672 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 7:46 pm to
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Tl;Dr, No bossman is going to tell you "frick you you can't learn on my clock"



Lolololol

You have a lot to learn
Posted by philly444
stuck in contraflow
Member since Nov 2008
11847 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 7:50 pm to
I started out in estimating and thought the office was way better than the field. Wrong.

Estimating everyday was torture, I couldn't wait to move out of the office and into the field
Posted by Capital Cajun
Over Yonder
Member since Aug 2007
5575 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 8:49 pm to
Go with the FE route. You will learn a lot more and not pigeonhole in one area.

From the FE side you can pick the path of a superintendent or get into Project management. You could jump into estimating if you change your mind.

Estimators are typically always estimators.
Posted by JamalSanders
On a boat
Member since Jul 2015
12182 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 8:49 pm to
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theBOSSman!!


I graduated in the last couple years. Went to work for a GC as an estimator, had no clue what I was doing. Took a promotion a year later as an on site PM, basically a field engineer. I learned a ton more in the field than in the office. Worked more hours but learned a ton more.
Posted by Capt ST
High Plains
Member since Aug 2011
13323 posts
Posted on 3/20/17 at 9:26 pm to
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Legally, only a PE can claim the title engineer.


I thought people that lacked common sense could do the same as well
This post was edited on 3/21/17 at 3:30 am
Posted by shawnlsu
Member since Nov 2011
23682 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 7:44 am to
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Estimating all day made me want to kill myself


Amen brother. Just glad I made it through that year and love my job now.
Posted by shawnlsu
Member since Nov 2011
23682 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 7:58 am to
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Some advice:
- Learn to listen.
- Your degree is a huge tool. Do not flaunt it as your only tool.
- Pay attention to your tradesmen and find some that don't mind you asking questions. I found that seasoned guys will teach you a lot about the business of you ask questions and show an interest in their answers.
- On that note, learn how to talk to working people. I worked at a HVAC supply house in college. I spent a lot of time just learning how to interact with contractors. Was invaluable to be in the field.


All good advice. There is a certain PM on a certain site on a campus in south La right now that makes is glaringly obvious that he has never stepped foot out of the office and that he thinks he knows everything. Don't be that guy. Learn to work with your subs not demand that they work for you, especially if you are young and don't know your arse from a hole in the ground.
There are too many companies putting young guys out on projects as PMs these days that really only know what the book tells them. They have no real world experience and it really screws up the work flow and schedule on a jobsite.
This post was edited on 3/21/17 at 7:59 am
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