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re: Climate change and evolution now "required learning" for Alabama students..
Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:09 pm to HeadChange
Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:09 pm to HeadChange
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You're just a science bitch though
I'll tell you what, bitches are what made Darwin realize that breeding was just natural selection with humans in control of what traits they find favorable.
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Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:14 pm to The First Cut
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Please tell me how science precludes faith in God.
You said
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You have to be a kook to think faith precludes science and you have to be a kook to think science precludes faith.
To which I replied
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If you would've said something along the lines of 'you can have faith in god and still practice science', I'd agree.
Then you said
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if anyone thinks that science and faith contradict one another they are sadly mistaken
Then I stated the definitions of both, which shows they aren't the same thing
You then countered with
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faith and science are two completely separate entities.
And now you ask
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Please tell me how science precludes faith in God.
But anyway, it doesn't. It's not a means to attack a god or gods, but "faith" and "science" are two very different things.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:16 pm to HeadChange
We agree 
Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:18 pm to The First Cut
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We agree
Look at my post
Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:25 pm to Grim
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Ah yes, the quintessential message board scientist.
Considering I actually am one, I'm cool with being the official Tigerdroppings scientist.
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He was joking you fricking try hard
Read my post. Where was I calling him out? I know he was joking. I was just discussing the argument that he presented as it is often used by creationists.
Next time try and add a little something to the discussion instead of incorrectly trying to call someone out.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:28 pm to Bmath
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I'm cool with being the official Tigerdroppings scientist.
Err...I have a PhD in a science.
I'd like that job. Unless you have a PhD too...
Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:36 pm to beejon
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Just the hard truth, my friend. Darwinism isn't based on the scientific method.
thats weird
Darwin himself used his own theory to identify a niche animal he didnt even know existed and wasnt discovered until he was long dead.
He discovered a flower on the Galapogos isles that had a long slender bulb with nectar at the bottom. Darwin used the sci method...he hypothesized in his notes there would be an animal, be it insect, reptile, or mammal that would have evolved a long proboscis to take advantage of that flower using the predictive ability of the Theory of Evolution.
Years after his death, a moth with an extremely long proboscis was observed sucking on the flower Darwin had mentioned validating the predictions he made using the Theory of Evolution and the scientific method's principles found within.
please shut up about Darwinistic Evolution.
Darwin simply discovered Evolution. He contributed a minute amount to what is now one of the scientific method's greatest acheivements...the knowledge found withing the Theory of Evolution.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:39 pm to Cruiserhog
He established the what and why, but not the how.
The how is the action part of the big theory.
Now, that how is the newest part of the theory.
The how is the action part of the big theory.
Now, that how is the newest part of the theory.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:42 pm to Pectus
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I'd like that job. Unless you have a PhD too...
No, I've only mastered science. Two more years...
Posted on 9/16/15 at 8:51 pm to LSU1NSEC
About damn time, gotta start teaching facts and not "religious belief"
Posted on 9/16/15 at 9:08 pm to Bmath
Not a reply to you Bmath...just a general reply and yours was the last post.
My mistake using the term Darwinism and evolution interchangeably. But I think you PhD Scientist types would agree that the average guy uses these in a similar fashion. Maybe I am not intelligent enough to use the scientific appropriate vocabulary. Or maybe I am just as intelligent as any but my daily experiences do not require me to make such delineations in my vocabulary.
Vocabulary aside my point was and is that I understand that I must have faith to believe the Bible and in a God that created everything. Also, a complete trust in evolution also requires a faith in a scientific theory. We all have faith in something.
However, if tomorrow evidence comes to light that no one can refute evolution is an absolute law/fact, or whatever word I should use, it will in no way impact my faith in God.
I understand that beliefs like mine are becoming less and less popular. You can say we are advancing and disproving the existence of God. But I might just say that my Faith and the Bible tells us there will be a turning away from God and further strengthens that very faith.
We each must choose what to believe and what to have faith in for ourselves. I honestly do not believe either side will ever disprove the other side in this debate by ourselves.
My mistake using the term Darwinism and evolution interchangeably. But I think you PhD Scientist types would agree that the average guy uses these in a similar fashion. Maybe I am not intelligent enough to use the scientific appropriate vocabulary. Or maybe I am just as intelligent as any but my daily experiences do not require me to make such delineations in my vocabulary.
Vocabulary aside my point was and is that I understand that I must have faith to believe the Bible and in a God that created everything. Also, a complete trust in evolution also requires a faith in a scientific theory. We all have faith in something.
However, if tomorrow evidence comes to light that no one can refute evolution is an absolute law/fact, or whatever word I should use, it will in no way impact my faith in God.
I understand that beliefs like mine are becoming less and less popular. You can say we are advancing and disproving the existence of God. But I might just say that my Faith and the Bible tells us there will be a turning away from God and further strengthens that very faith.
We each must choose what to believe and what to have faith in for ourselves. I honestly do not believe either side will ever disprove the other side in this debate by ourselves.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 9:20 pm to LSU1NSEC
Darwin Lied.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 9:33 pm to Bama323_15
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Maybe I am not intelligent enough to use the scientific appropriate vocabulary.
It's not really about intelligence, but there is a matter of semantics that is often woefully debated. A lot of science deniers like to harp on the term "scientific theory." They nitpick the word theory, because they don't actually understand how it is being used. It frustrates me that these people can't take the time to look these things up.
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a complete trust in evolution also requires a faith in a scientific theory.
Well, not exactly. The scientific community looks to answer questions. They determine that there is a gap in knowledge, and find solutions for filling in the holes. Generally, they use evidence based and repeatable experiments that must be thoroughly vetted by their peers. Scientists aren't simply coming up with and disseminating a hypothesis.
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However, if tomorrow evidence comes to light that no one can refute evolution is an absolute law/fact, or whatever word I should use, it will in no way impact my faith in God.
God and science can and do exist for many many people. For example, the Catholic church supports the theory of evolution, and dispels intelligent design.
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We each must choose what to believe and what to have faith in for ourselves.
Faith is indeed a personal journey. What's important is that you never stop asking questions, and you always seek the truth.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 9:57 pm to Bmath
We could keep responding back and forth on this but I doubt either of us changes our mind and its too late for me to just stay up and enjoy the discussion. 
Just as you mention the Catholic Church supports the theory of evolution, I will take your word for it. I honestly do not concern myself with the views of the Catholic church.
But just as prominent religious institutions may support the theory of evolution there are many prominent scientists who have a belief in Creator and in God. Some of these began their careers as atheists and through their scientific study, were led to this faith.
These scientists did not come up with proof of this, however their journey of scientific inquiry brought them to the point that they developed a faith in something that could not be proven.
And yes, science is the pursuit of understanding and I understand about the scientific method and repeatable experiments. However, if anyone is waiting on a repeatable experiment that proves evolution or the existence of God then I believe they will die one day waiting on their proof.
I believe God wants us to take a leap of faith to believe in Him. Anyone unwilling to make that leap will never see evidence of his existence and will use many methods to convince themselves He does not exist. Some scientists have made the leap, most will not sadly. I sincerely pray that you have or will one day.
I will die with a faith in God and very sketchy record of following his commands.
Just as you mention the Catholic Church supports the theory of evolution, I will take your word for it. I honestly do not concern myself with the views of the Catholic church.
But just as prominent religious institutions may support the theory of evolution there are many prominent scientists who have a belief in Creator and in God. Some of these began their careers as atheists and through their scientific study, were led to this faith.
These scientists did not come up with proof of this, however their journey of scientific inquiry brought them to the point that they developed a faith in something that could not be proven.
And yes, science is the pursuit of understanding and I understand about the scientific method and repeatable experiments. However, if anyone is waiting on a repeatable experiment that proves evolution or the existence of God then I believe they will die one day waiting on their proof.
I believe God wants us to take a leap of faith to believe in Him. Anyone unwilling to make that leap will never see evidence of his existence and will use many methods to convince themselves He does not exist. Some scientists have made the leap, most will not sadly. I sincerely pray that you have or will one day.
I will die with a faith in God and very sketchy record of following his commands.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 10:24 pm to Bama323_15
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Just as you mention the Catholic Church supports the theory of evolution, I will take your word for it. I honestly do not concern myself with the views of the Catholic church.
My only point is that the largest single group of Christians in the world have come to accept this. While I am a member of that particular church, I wasn't trying to use it as way to say it is superior.
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there are many prominent scientists who have a belief in Creator and in God. Some of these began their careers as atheists and through their scientific study, were led to this faith.
Correct.
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if anyone is waiting on a repeatable experiment that proves evolution
These people are called creationists. Evolution has scientifically been proven many times over to be true. In fact, in microbes it happens very quickly. Hence the emergence of antibiotic resistant strains of Staphylococcus aureus. The mental block that most people have is with macrobiotic (i.e. animals) evolution because it tends to happen on nearly a geologic timescale. Since we can't easily witness these processes in our own lifetime, some find it difficult to comprehend.
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I sincerely pray that you have or will one day.
Why do you suspect that I'm not religious?
Look, you're not really saying anything that I don't already understand or to some extent agree with. I get that you have your faith, and are OK with simply accepting that. As I said, faith is a personal journey. However, blind faith is foolish, and one must always seek to further understand. True, there is a point that we reach "God's mysteries." I'm OK with that, but just remember that God isn't a magician. Reading the bible and memorizing passages is great, but doing so without understanding the history and context behind each chapter has lead to numerous misconceptions by the masses.
Alas, I'm dabbling too far into the realm of religious debate. The OT is no such place for that.
Posted on 9/16/15 at 10:30 pm to Bama323_15
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However, if anyone is waiting on a repeatable experiment that proves evolution
No need to wait chief. Evolution really isn't up for debate. It's proven over and over again.
This post was edited on 9/16/15 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 9/16/15 at 10:38 pm to tenderfoot tigah
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So they can learn alternate theories about where humans came from, but cannot teach where they actually came from? That makes sense.
How about we put God back in schools so they can start excelling again.
Removing God from schools was the worse thing to ever happen to the school system in this country and the test scores and behaviors show it.
Do you also blame God being taken out of the schools for your lack of basic understanding of English grammar?
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