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re: Chinese to Build Worlds Largest Supercollider

Posted on 6/17/16 at 9:39 am to
Posted by CoachDon
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 9:39 am to
www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/steven-hawking-warns-doomsday

www.businessinsider.com/will-the-lhc-produce-black-holes-2015-4

www.foxnews.com/.../stephen-hawking-god-particle-could-destroy

? IDK I may have hyperbolized my words, but when perhaps the smartest man alive thinks something we built has a possibility to end life....

Posted by DoUrden
UnderDark
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 9:39 am to
Just make a stargate and we are set.
Posted by chicano12
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 9:51 am to
Only down voted because that sounds scary as frick!
Posted by LSU1NSEC
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 9:58 am to
The same type of collisions that happen at CERN happen in the Earth's upper atmosphere everyday.
This post was edited on 6/17/16 at 9:59 am
Posted by Sparkplug#1
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 10:02 am to
I read that China was trying to shrink earth, to cut down on shipping.
Posted by madmaxvol
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 10:03 am to
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So, if CERN in Switzerland scares the shite out of Hawking, this one being twice as large should really shake him up.


Sure...but the Chinese are world renowned for their superior quality...right?
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 10:11 am to
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Chinese to Build Worlds Largest Supercollider

They should be pretty good at particle collisions considering how they drive.
Posted by mark65mc
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 10:16 am to
They probably saw the first season of The Flash, saw how he was created and now they want their own Flash.
Posted by Cooter Davenport
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 10:18 am to
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quote: “The God particle found by CERN could destroy the universe,” Hawking wrote in the preface to a book, Starmus, a collection of lectures by scientists. The Higgs Boson could become unstable at very high energy levels and have the potential to trigger a “catastrophic vacuum decay which would cause space and time to collapse and… we would not have any warning to the dangers,” he continued. quote: Dr. Stephen Hawking recently warned that the reactivation in March of CERN’s large hadron collider could pose grave dangers to our planet…the ultimate reality check we are warned. Hawking has come straight out and said the ‘God particle’ found by CERN “could destroy the universe quote: Stephen Hawking says the ‘God Particle’ that scientists believe created the world could actually end it, too. quote: The particle – know as Higgs boson – “has the worrisome feature” that it could become unstable at extremely high energies and create a “black hole” that would collapse the universe, the legendary British physicist has warned in a new book titled Starmus, according to the Daily Express.


I've looked into these quotes before and he's being taken out of context on them. A quick way to tell is the source, which is a BS source, and by the fact that his actual words in quotes are very clipped and the rest is the commentary of the author of the article, not Hawking. You have to go back to Hawking's actual book and read the whole paragraph or chapter. He's not saying that CERN is a threat. This is just yet another example of the authors of click-bait internet articles clipping things out of context to build a sensational article that people will click on and drive ad revenue. It's sad.
This post was edited on 6/17/16 at 10:21 am
Posted by RedFoxx
New Orleans, LA
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 10:29 am to
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Chinese


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Supercollider


Something something, bad drivers.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 10:31 am to
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Do you know what it would take to produce a black hole that could sustain itself? Certainly a few atoms getting crushed won't do it. If you compress our planet enough to make a black hole, it would measure about an inch in diameter. Black holes aren't some crazy vacuums with infinite suction, the retain the gravitational pull of its source.

Bingo!
Posted by UKWildcatsFAN
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 11:01 am to
I don't drink coke.
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 11:14 am to
So what is the goal of this collider? It's successful if......what?
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 11:30 am to
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Do you know what it would take to produce a black hole that could sustain itself? Certainly a few atoms getting crushed won't do it. If you compress our planet enough to make a black hole, it would measure about an inch in diameter. Black holes aren't some crazy vacuums with infinite suction, the retain the gravitational pull of its source.


Exactly.

Law of conservation of energy.

The law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system remains constant—it is said to be conserved over time. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it transforms from one form to another.

The law of equivalence of energy and mass tells us that mass and energy are related.

Therefore, the gravitational pull of a black hole formed by a few atoms (which would be unstable and last for a fraction of a second anyway) would be proportional to the mass of a few atoms. In other words, not much.
This post was edited on 6/17/16 at 11:32 am
Posted by CrazyTigerFan
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 11:32 am to
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So what is the goal of this collider? It's successful if......what?
The same goal as CERN, which is the same goal as Fermilab, which is the same goal as every other collider project.

Which is, essentially, to create high energy particle collisions in order to recreate high-energy conditions from the early universe to discover and/or observe properties of the fundamental particles that make up the universe (really, more of what we observe is the decay of those particles and their resultant components because they're unstable outside of the high energy environment and decay extremely quickly, but we can still understand the properties of the particles created in the collisions).
Posted by EventHorizon
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 2:31 pm to
Wall of text incoming, but I can't help myself here since we're talking about black holes. If anybody wants to read about actually falling into a black hole and crossing the event horizon without getting too technical, read the following post. Credit goes to reddit user RobotRollCall ( original post). It won't hurt my feelings if you just skip this post.

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Imagine, just for a moment, that you are aboard a spaceship equipped with a magical engine capable of accelerating you to any arbitrarily high velocity. This is absolutely and utterly impossible, but it turns out it'll be okay, for reasons you'll see in a second.

Because you know your engine can push you faster than the speed of light, you have no fear of black holes. In the interest of scientific curiosity, you allow yourself to fall through the event horizon of one. And not just any black hole, but rather a carefully chosen one, one sufficiently massive that its event horizon lies quite far from its center. This is so you'll have plenty of time between crossing the event horizon and approaching the region of insane gravitational gradient near the center to make your observations and escape again.

As you fall toward the black hole, you notice some things which strike you as highly unusual, but because you know your general relativity they do not shock or frighten you. First, the stars behind you — that is, in the direction that points away from the black hole — grow much brighter. The light from those stars, falling in toward the black hole, is being blue-shifted by the gravitation; light that was formerly too dim to see, in the deep infrared, is boosted to the point of visibility.

Simultaneously, the black patch of sky that is the event horizon seems to grow strangely. You know from basic geometry that, at this distance, the black hole should subtend about a half a degree of your view — it should, in other words, be about the same size as the full moon as seen from the surface of the Earth. Except it isn't. In fact, it fills half your view. Half of the sky, from notional horizon to notional horizon, is pure, empty blackness. And all the other stars, nearly the whole sky full of stars, are crowded into the hemisphere that lies behind you.

As you continue to fall, the event horizon opens up beneath you, so you feel as if you're descending into a featureless black bowl. Meanwhile, the stars become more and more crowded into a circular region of sky centered on the point immediately aft. The event horizon does not obscure the stars; you can watch a star just at the edge of the event horizon for as long as you like and you'll never see it slip behind the black hole. Rather, the field of view through which you see the rest of the universe gets smaller and smaller, as if you're experiencing tunnel-vision.

Finally, just before you're about to cross the event horizon, you see the entire rest of the observable universe contract to a single, brilliant point immediately behind you. If you train your telescope on that point, you'll see not only the light from all the stars and galaxies, but also a curious dim red glow. This is the cosmic microwave background, boosted to visibility by the intense gravitation of the black hole.

And then the point goes out. All at once, as if God turned off the switch.

You have crossed the event horizon of the black hole.

Focusing on the task at hand, knowing that you have limited time before you must fire up your magical spaceship engine and escape the black hole, you turn to your observations. Except you don't see anything. No light is falling on any of your telescopes. The view out your windows is blacker than mere black; you are looking at non-existence. There is nothing to see, nothing to observe.

You know that somewhere ahead of you lies the singularity … or at least, whatever the universe deems fit to exist at the point where our mathematics fails. But you have no way of observing it. Your mission is a failure.

Disappointed, you decide to end your adventure. You attempt to turn your ship around, such that your magical engine is pointing toward the singularity and so you can thrust yourself away at whatever arbitrarily high velocity is necessary to escape the black hole's hellish gravitation. But you are thwarted.

Your spaceship has sensitive instruments that are designed to detect the gradient of gravitation, so you can orient yourself. These instruments should point straight toward the singularity, allowing you to point your ship in the right direction to escape. Except the instruments are going haywire. They seem to indicate that the singularity lies all around you. In every direction, the gradient of gravitation increases. If you are to believe your instruments, you are at the point of lowest gravitation inside the event horizon, and every direction points "downhill" toward the center of the black hole. So any direction you thrust your spaceship will push you closer to the singularity and your death.

This is clearly nonsense. You cannot believe what your instruments are telling you. It must be a malfunction.

But it isn't. It's the absolute, literal truth. Inside the event horizon of a black hole, there is no way out. There are no directions of space that point away from the singularity. Due to the Lovecraftian curvature of spacetime within the event horizon, all the trajectories that would carry you away from the black hole now point into the past.

In fact, this is the definition of the event horizon. It's the boundary separating points in space where there are trajectories that point away from the black hole from points in space where there are none.

Your magical infinitely-accelerating engine is of no use to you … because you cannot find a direction in which to point it. The singularity is all around you, in every direction you look.

And it is getting closer.
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 2:39 pm to
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Something something, bad drivers.

I'll take a stab, suddenly these guys stand to make a bunch of money-

"Have you been hit by a Higgs boson with a name on the door?"





This post was edited on 6/17/16 at 4:02 pm
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
77214 posts
Posted on 6/17/16 at 3:03 pm to
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the super collider could open otherworldly doors to another dimension for "a very tiny lapse of time,” mere fractions of a second. However, that may be just enough time “to peer into this open door, either by getting something out of it or sending something into it.”


That.Is.Awesome. I really wish I had my hands on a little bud today.
Posted by yoga girl
Member since Dec 2015
3691 posts
Posted on 6/17/16 at 3:08 pm to
Though I am no physics expert, it is almost certain that these supercolliders are dangerous.

They can accidentally create micro black holes and strangelets, both of which are very dangerous.

I don't understand why we keep doing things that are clearly very dangerous to this planet.


Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 3:09 pm to
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Though I am no physics expert, it is almost certain that these supercolliders are dangerous.


Oh, Heather. Don't you go changin'
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