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re: Chicago mayor is appealing for calm after releasing video of Adam Toledo shooting

Posted on 4/16/21 at 7:04 am to
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68191 posts
Posted on 4/16/21 at 7:04 am to
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Chicago mayor

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Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
65908 posts
Posted on 4/16/21 at 7:06 am to
I also would like to take a moment to talk about the kid's parenting. What reasonable parent allows their young kid to be out roaming the streets so late? Let's attack the enabling society here, if we really want to end "police brutality".
That police officer would have just rather been eating donuts in his squad car instead of having to chase down another troublemaking kid who have no father or even mother figure in his life.
You don't see cops having to chase down kids, of any color, who are in bed at an appropriate time and having learned right from wrong
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53404 posts
Posted on 4/16/21 at 7:07 am to
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
40037 posts
Posted on 4/16/21 at 7:08 am to
I know the kid was young, but that pic is how many years old?
Posted by 0x15E
Outer Space
Member since Sep 2020
14512 posts
Posted on 4/16/21 at 7:10 am to
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What reasonable parent allows their young kid to be out roaming the streets so late?


That’s a big assumption that they actually knew he was out that early. Maybe he’s good at sneaking out.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
40037 posts
Posted on 4/16/21 at 7:14 am to
Someone earlier in the thread posted that he hadn’t been home in a week.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53404 posts
Posted on 4/16/21 at 7:14 am to
Baby gang banger? Sad to see kids go down that path.
This post was edited on 4/16/21 at 7:15 am
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
130686 posts
Posted on 4/16/21 at 7:18 am to
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he was clearly shot complying with commands, unarmed and hands up


What video did you see? He had a gun in his hand as he was turning around. It would appear he did drop it at the time he was raising his hands, but you expect a cop, in the dark, knowing the kid had a gun to just wait and see what happens when they turn?

If so, go be a cop and see how you like it.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85136 posts
Posted on 4/16/21 at 7:22 am to
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It would appear he did drop it at the time he was raising his hands


Yes. Exactly as the cop ordered.

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but you expect a cop, in the dark, knowing the kid had a gun to just wait and see what happens when they turn?


anytime someone has a gun, a cop has the right to shoot them? is this your logic?
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
130686 posts
Posted on 4/16/21 at 7:25 am to
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anytime someone has a gun, a cop has the right to shoot them? is this your logic?


Go back and reread what I posted.
Posted by Salmon
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Member since Feb 2008
85136 posts
Posted on 4/16/21 at 7:29 am to
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Go back and reread what I posted.



I did

and you literally stated in your post why it was a bad shoot

maybe you should go back and reread what you posted
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
22514 posts
Posted on 4/16/21 at 7:31 am to
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anytime someone has a gun, a cop has the right to shoot them? is this your logic?



Is your logic that it’s not only okay to run from cops while holding a gun, but that additionally it’s not a dangerous situation? That cops should not fear for their lives anytime they are chasing someone holding a gun?

Goodness, this idea that officers deal with someone holding a gun on a regular basis and should be calm, cool, and collected every time is ludicrous. I’d bet the avg officer in the USA deals with someone armed with a gun once or less a year. Maybe more somewhere like Chicago or NBR or NOLA, but some small town country officer maybe once every 5 years.
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
20247 posts
Posted on 4/16/21 at 7:32 am to
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anytime someone has a gun, a cop has the right to shoot them? is this your logic?


If they turn towards them gun in hand, yes. That’s sound logic
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
130686 posts
Posted on 4/16/21 at 7:32 am to
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I did

and you literally stated in your post why it was a bad shoot


No I didn't, how did you get that?
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85136 posts
Posted on 4/16/21 at 7:34 am to
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Is your logic that it’s not only okay to run from cops while holding a gun, but that additionally it’s not a dangerous situation?


No.

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That cops should not fear for their lives anytime they are chasing someone holding a gun?


Cops probably fear for their lives in every unknown situation. They are human.

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Goodness, this idea that officers deal with someone holding a gun on a regular basis and should be calm, cool, and collected every time is ludicrous


Where did I say any of this?

I do think, however, that the cop should allow the person that he is yelling orders to at least comply with those orders before shooting them.

I don't think that is an unreasonable standard.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85136 posts
Posted on 4/16/21 at 7:36 am to
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No I didn't, how did you get that?


You implied that the cop couldn't see clearly. That's breaking the #1 rule with guns.
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18760 posts
Posted on 4/16/21 at 7:38 am to
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but some small town country officer maybe once every 5 years.


You mean to say that in rural communities, where gun ownership is highest, an officer only interacts with an armed suspect every 5 years?
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
18959 posts
Posted on 4/16/21 at 7:44 am to
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This is the most head in the clouds idiotic fricking thing I have ever heard. You are literally now saying even if a criminal points a gun at a cop the cop shouldn’t shoot.


The people that think this way are also the brain dead morons that say things like “he only had a knife” or “they could have just shot him in the leg”.....I guess they could run for national office on the Dem ticket!
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
22514 posts
Posted on 4/16/21 at 7:47 am to
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You mean to say that in rural communities, where gun ownership is highest, an officer only interacts with an armed suspect every 5 years?



Are you saying the more guns you own the more likely you are to commit a crime with a gun?

No, I’m stating that in a small town with lower crime an officer is less likely to run into an armed suspect.

ETA: additionally, there’s a huge difference between an armed suspect in a dangerous situation and a gun owner. In a rural community a lot of your traffic violations may have a hunting rifle or conceal carry gun on them. That doesn’t make it a dangerous situation. I’m speaking only in situations with a deadly weapon. No, I don’t think your avg cop runs into direct involvement in armed and dangerous suspects routinely.
This post was edited on 4/16/21 at 7:50 am
Posted by Fessface
Member since Sep 2019
265 posts
Posted on 4/16/21 at 7:49 am to
You're an idiot.
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