re: CDC warns COVID-19 may be a few mutations away from evading vaccines

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Nice try, but I used data from Sweden, Israel, UK, Singapore and Canada, specifically because the CDC is intentionally lying about this virus.

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Singapore has already inoculated nearly 75% of its 5.7 million people, the world's second highest after the United Arab Emirates, a Reuters tracker shows, and half its population is fully vaccinated. It reported 1,096 locally transmitted cases in the last 28 days, of which 484, or 44%, were fully vaccinated people, while 30% were partially vaccinated and the remaining 25% were unvaccinated

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There were only seven severe cases requiring oxygen support and six of them were unvaccinated and one was partially vaccinated, the health ministry said. "There is continuing evidence that vaccination helps to prevent serious disease when one gets infected," the ministry said, adding all of the fully vaccinated and infected people showed no symptoms or mild symptoms.

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The minister pointed to the fact that although daily infections have gone up sharply over the past few weeks, the number of patients with severe illness who require oxygen supplementation or are in intensive care units remains low. Currently, all patients with severe illness are either unvaccinated or partially vaccinated, said Mr Ong.

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the UK just reported the vaccine is 88% effective at preventing symptomatic infection

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Just 3 days ago, they announced that 40% of hospitalizations are double vaccinated.

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LONDON, England, July 23, 2021 (LifeSiteNews) — The Chief Scientific Advisor to the U.K. government attested during a press conference on Monday that 40% of those being hospitalized with COVID-19 were “fully vaccinated,” after correcting his earlier statement saying that figure was actually 60% for those who are vaccinated.

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It amazes me who much the same these arguments are made in every thread. Different characters, same plot. Covid/politics/mask/election.etc. It’s exhausting to me that we’ve come to this in every thread.

I’m not even blaming them, just the state of the world we’re in.

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In the delta variant, that you also agreed wasn't being tested for.

So... Which is it?

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No, I didn’t. Maybe you should stop telling me what I’ve said since you keep getting it so wrong.

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never said vaccinated doesn't transmit the virus

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You tried to claim it was much less prevalent.

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would you like to tell me how the CDC arrived at vaccinated and unvaccinated are carrying the same viral load for the delta variant AND they're not testing for the delta variant?

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You’ll have to ask them. They’re the ones that made the announcement, not me.

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The thing is, you can argue context is missing and that's certainly fair. But you can't just say what I said was wrong, because it wasn't.

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I could say 100% of the deaths from covid in 2020 were in unvaccinated people.

Does that say anything about the vaccines?

But it’s a true statement!!!1!1!!!

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75% are carrying a high enough viral load that will continue to infect others and create mutations that will defeat any vaccine.

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Defeat in what way? In a way that leads to booster shots or a virus that doesn’t lead to serious illness or hospitalizations in numbers that are concerning. Again, look at Singapore since you want to cite to it. How many of its 5.7 million citizens are hospitalized? How many on oxygen? How many of those are unvaccinated? Please answer those three questions.

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In the delta variant, that you also agreed wasn't being tested for.

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It's called genome sequencing. Labs request the positive samples, sequence them against other identified variants, and estimate the percent of people with each variant.

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We need to shelter in place until evolution stops

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Based on the posts on this board over the last year it’s pretty clear evolution has stopped

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this data confirms what I said in the quote that you stated is not true

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You posted this as a fact:

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"the vast majority of transmission, the vast majority of severe disease, hospitalization, and death is almost exclusively happening among unvaccinated people."

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57% of transmissible persons isn't a vast majority.

75.2% hospitalizations isn't remotely "exclusively happening". And that number will continue to be less exclusive as each day passes.

You are just continuing to reinforce my assertion that you were wholly invested in the vaccines. You were sold the lie that they were almost 100% effective. You blamed skeptics for being likely to cause variants, that would put your vaccine at risk. And though you are being shown facts that the vaxxed were as likely to create an unbeatable variant, you held on to your own truth about a failing mRNA plan.

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Defeat in what way?

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The entire thread is about the CDC director saying viral load in the vaxxed and unvaxxed are now equal. The concern is that continued transmissions will lead to an unbeatable variant. That's what they mean.

So if being vaxxed doesn't prevent me getting or transmitting the variants (CDC's words, not mine), and an eventual unbeatable variant, why do I want to compromise my health further with an experimental mRNA shot?

And that question is based on the fact that I now personally know more people that have died fully vaccinated in the last 6 weeks, than unvaccinated for the last 1.5 years.