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re: CDC Still Claim Vaccine is 2x More Effective Than Natural Immunity (Israel Report Ignored)
Posted on 9/29/21 at 10:10 pm to Salmon
Posted on 9/29/21 at 10:10 pm to Salmon
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It never completed trials because we never had enough participants for SARS and MERS.
It didn't work, and made the reaction/severity worse, regardless of whether trials were completed.
But we got lucky and those outbreaks fizzled on their own. Claiming "no longer needed" looks better than "made people have a severe inflammatory response".
Separately, I was responding to a claim that the technology was safe and understood because it's been under development soooo long and studied soooo much.
Even if you go with "insufficient demand/ incomplete trials", it only supports the fact that the technology isn't fully understood and wasn't sufficiently studied.
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Posted on 9/29/21 at 10:17 pm to beerandt
Antibody dependent enhancement is so rare it’s almost non existent.
Stop getting your medical advice from YouTube
The fact that you relate it to the same mechanism as antibiotic resistant bacteria tells
Me you don’t know what the frick you’re talking about.
Stop getting your medical advice from YouTube
The fact that you relate it to the same mechanism as antibiotic resistant bacteria tells
Me you don’t know what the frick you’re talking about.
This post was edited on 9/29/21 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 9/30/21 at 7:08 am to Dizz
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SARS and MERS both burned out and with it the money for research and vaccines. The COVID vaccines are the shinning example that there are very few things that can’t get done when there is an unlimited budget.
Did they burn out or did we just ignore them more than what we did with Covid? My recollection was that original SARS went endemic after around 18mo. Many are predicting the same will happen after the Delta wave with SARS 2
Posted on 9/30/21 at 7:13 am to beerandt
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Separately, I was responding to a claim that the technology was safe and understood because it's been under development soooo long and studied soooo much.
You replied to me, and I never made a claim about safety, just that it's not as new and experimental as most people seem to think. Which is true.
Posted on 9/30/21 at 7:33 am to STEVED00
SARs CoV 2 has 29,811 nucleotides that encodes for 29 proteins to replicate itself.
The mRNA from the "vaccine" reaches the ribosomes in your cells to code for an assimilate a clone of one protein from SARs CoV 2 known as the spiked protein. The spiked protein then becomes the antigen that you gain immunity (theoretically).
Natural infection introduces you to all 29 proteins including the spiked protein.
Would you rather your immune system have the ability to recognize one protein or 29 (all of the proteins on SARs CoV 2)?
The mRNA from the "vaccine" reaches the ribosomes in your cells to code for an assimilate a clone of one protein from SARs CoV 2 known as the spiked protein. The spiked protein then becomes the antigen that you gain immunity (theoretically).
Natural infection introduces you to all 29 proteins including the spiked protein.
Would you rather your immune system have the ability to recognize one protein or 29 (all of the proteins on SARs CoV 2)?
Posted on 9/30/21 at 7:36 am to PentagonTiger
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New study out of Oklahoma today on breakthrough infections for vaccinated vs unvaccinated.
Breakthroughs should be totally expected from an mRNA vaccine. mRNA vaccines are host dependent on antigen production and results will vary from person to person and other variables. Traditional vaccines do not rely on the host to produce the antigen. With traditional vaccines everyone is getting the same number of antigens.
Posted on 9/30/21 at 7:53 am to PentagonTiger
Can you link the actual study? I am guessing it has the same limitation as the Kentucky study in that the # of vaccinated people getting tested is probably much lower and they did their best matching names to vaccinated data.
Also that spreadsheet clearly shows vaccine protection is dropping as the delta variant becomes more prevalent and the vaccine protection wanes whereas the NI protection is not decreasing nearly as fast
At the end of the day, the spreadsheet shows you are clearly very protected with NI and vaccine.
Also that spreadsheet clearly shows vaccine protection is dropping as the delta variant becomes more prevalent and the vaccine protection wanes whereas the NI protection is not decreasing nearly as fast
At the end of the day, the spreadsheet shows you are clearly very protected with NI and vaccine.
This post was edited on 9/30/21 at 8:01 am
Posted on 9/30/21 at 7:57 am to STEVED00
The polio vaccine is a vaccine because it prevents you from getting polio. The “COVID vaccine” is not a vaccine. It’s a shot.
This post was edited on 9/30/21 at 7:57 am
Posted on 9/30/21 at 8:02 am to GumboPot
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The mRNA from the "vaccine" reaches the ribosomes in your cells to code for an assimilate a clone of one protein from SARs CoV 2 known as the spiked protein. The spiked protein then becomes the antigen that you gain immunity (theoretically).
Natural infection introduces you to all 29 proteins including the spiked protein.
Would you rather your immune system have the ability to recognize one protein or 29 (all of the proteins on SARs CoV 2)?
all of this is completely false
LINK
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The significance of a very narrow antibody response comes from studies with MAbs. RNA viruses in general have a high mutation rate and a virus species such as COVID19 comprises a mixture of differing RNA genomes called a quasi-species. If one of these variants is fitter and has a replication advantage, it will become a major component in the
quasispecies.
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However, the fallacy lies in the assumption that no individual produces an antibody response which is dominated by antibody to just one epitope. In experiments in which mice and rabbits were conventionally immunized with two or more doses of an inactivated influenza A virus vaccine it was found that sera from 11% mice and 75% rabbits mixed with virus and grown in embryonated eggs, selected virus that escaped neutralization. In other words, these serum antibody responses were functionally monoclonal [4,5]. Serial bleeds taken after vaccination showed that there was either a biased response from the get-go or it evolved only later [6]. Anti serum resistant variant virus no longer reacted with one of a panel of MAbs, and nucleotide sequencing showed that it was a genuine antibody-resistant mutant. The HA-specific antibody responses in mice and rabbits were biased to different antigenic sites. The situation with COVID-19 is exacerbated by the appearance of virus variants with a changed epitope landscape, so that what was a broad antibody response to the original virus
becomes a narrow response to the variant.
This post was edited on 9/30/21 at 8:05 am
Posted on 9/30/21 at 8:08 am to Domeskeller
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The polio vaccine is a vaccine because it prevents you from getting polio. The “COVID vaccine” is not a vaccine. It’s a shot.
I think this is my new favorite mouth breather take
Posted on 9/30/21 at 8:10 am to Domeskeller
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The polio vaccine is a vaccine because it prevents you from getting polio. The “COVID vaccine” is not a vaccine. It’s a shot.
whoops
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The oral polio vaccine (OPV) generates localized intestinal immunity, preventing infection and protecting against disease and transmission. Because the OPV uses a weakened live poliovirus, however, in rare cases among underimmunized populations, the attenuated virus mutates, circulates and once again causes illness
LINK
Posted on 9/30/21 at 8:12 am to Salmon
It ain't a polio "vaccine" it's a polio SHOT
Posted on 9/30/21 at 8:14 am to Ingeniero
You mean a vaccine doesn't need to be sterilized immunity to be effective?
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The case of rotavirus—which causes severe vomiting and watery diarrhea and is especially dangerous to infants and young children—is fairly straightforward. Vaccination limits, but does not stop, the pathogen from replicating. As such, it does not protect against mild disease. By reducing an infected person’s viral load, however, it decreases transmission, providing substantial indirect protection. According to the Centers for Disease Control, four to 10 years after the 2006 introduction of a rotavirus vaccine in the U.S., the number of positive tests for the disease fell by as much as 74 to 90 percent .
Posted on 9/30/21 at 8:20 am to Salmon
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all of this is completely false
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The RNA genome of SARS-CoV-2 has 29,811 nucleotides, encoding for 29 proteins,
LINK
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However, the fallacy lies in the assumption that no individual produces an antibody response which is dominated by antibody to just one epitope.
And that is what is expected of the mRNA vaccine.
Posted on 9/30/21 at 8:23 am to Ingeniero
The Marxists have been controlling us with the Polio jab for decades!
Posted on 9/30/21 at 8:24 am to GumboPot
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And that is what is expected of the mRNA vaccine.
It is what is expected in ALL scenarios, mRNA vaccine, live virus vaccine, and *gasp* natural infection.
You were literally arguing the fallacy in which that article is addressing.
Posted on 9/30/21 at 8:26 am to Damone
Comparing the mRNA vaccines to the polio vaccine is comparing apples to oranges and is ridiculous.
Now comparing the Novovax vaccine for COVID to the polio vaccine is comparing apples to apples.
Now comparing the Novovax vaccine for COVID to the polio vaccine is comparing apples to apples.
Posted on 9/30/21 at 8:27 am to Salmon
Let’s get back on topic. Even the new “Okla” study still shows NI reinfections are RARE. How are they in comparison to vaccine WILL ALWAYS be debatable in US for 2 reasons.
1. 3 different vaccines with varying efficacy
2. Vaccinated are treated differently than unvaccinated when it comes to close contact. Vaccinated don’t need to do anything whereas unvaccinated have to prove they are not positive to reduce time (ie more testing)
1. 3 different vaccines with varying efficacy
2. Vaccinated are treated differently than unvaccinated when it comes to close contact. Vaccinated don’t need to do anything whereas unvaccinated have to prove they are not positive to reduce time (ie more testing)
Posted on 9/30/21 at 8:28 am to GumboPot
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Now comparing the Novovax vaccine for COVID to the polio vaccine is comparing apples to apples.
the Novavax is literally just injecting the spike protein into your body
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