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re: Carolyn Bryant Donham, whose accusations led to murder of Emmett Till, dies at 88
Posted on 4/27/23 at 6:23 pm to crazy4lsu
Posted on 4/27/23 at 6:23 pm to crazy4lsu
Whose words would you like to elevate? All we have is words, it’s entirely he said she said for this part. There weren’t any unbiased accounts, videos, etc for this case as it relates to the identification of Till or how the husband was notified etc
And the statements are conflicting from all involved
Donham herself delivered conflicting statements
The friends of till who were with him delivered conflicting statements
And the statements are conflicting from all involved
Donham herself delivered conflicting statements
The friends of till who were with him delivered conflicting statements
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Posted on 4/27/23 at 6:24 pm to John88
Your daily reminder to #believeallwomen
Posted on 4/27/23 at 6:26 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:Please tell me how your medical degree helps you understand a woman stepping out publicly against her husband in the rural south wouldn’t have been shocking in the 50s, ESPECIALLY to support a black person. It would have been shattering to that town
This is complete nonsense.
Regardless of if Donham was or wasn’t a POS, the above statement is simple fact.
This post was edited on 4/27/23 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 4/27/23 at 6:27 pm to lsupride87
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Donham herself delivered conflicting statements
This doesn't give you pause? First, we have the woman who was supposedly with her that night saying that she wasn't with her. On page 47 of the report (I think), there's another interesting passage which suggests that Donham did tell Bryant about the alleged incident. Also none of the witness attest to any accosting other than the whistling, where there is no agreement on who this was directed to. If you are going to talk about the other witnesses, at least be honest about what they allege.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 6:32 pm to lsupride87
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Please tell me how your medical degree helps you understand a woman stepping out publicly against her husband in the rural south wouldn’t have been shocking in the 50s, ESPECIALLY to support a black person. It would have been shattering to that town
Because the context of that particular environment is meaningful. There were a couple of murders of black men around that time, including a minister in a neighboring county, as well as another black man who had the temerity to advocate for voting. You are trying to isolate this from the context to obfuscate for this lady for some reason. You end up taking nonsensical moral relativist positions that don't stand up to scrutiny.
And you keep avoiding some key events that even Donham describes, namely the identification events. If she had such a saintly moral compass, couldn't she have continued to tell her husband that he didn't have the right person, as she did two times before?
Posted on 4/27/23 at 6:32 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:Of course it does. Does Tills relatives and friends giving conflicting statements give you pause?
This doesn't give you pause?
Is there a chance Donham was the mastermind behind it all? Of course, there is a chance. But I think knowing what we know about the 1950s South it isn’t the most likely scenario.
I think the deranged husband embarrassed for feeling a fool about a black person hitting on his wife and public, and said wife being dismissive after is more likely
You, me, and nobody else KNOWS for sure.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 6:32 pm to Reservoir dawg
quote:
The Klan was born in Pine tree country.
No, the Klan was started in Pulaski, TN (Giles County) on the border with Alabama.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 6:33 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:Sure she could have. But I do have a suspicion her husband wasn’t being a very nice polite and patient fellow when asking her and she kept saying no. Just a hunch that the murdering torturing psychopath wasn’t a very patient and doting husband
And you keep avoiding some key events that even Donham describes, namely the identification events. If she had such a saintly moral compass, couldn't she have continued to tell her husband that he didn't have the right person, as she did two times before?
This post was edited on 4/27/23 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 4/27/23 at 6:33 pm to John88
A white tawana brawley
Posted on 4/27/23 at 6:35 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Of course it does. Does Tills relatives and friends giving conflicting statements give you pause?
Conflicting statements about what? None of them allege that he accosted or touched anyone, nor do they support her testimony that she yelled and screamed as soon as Till grabbed her hand.
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Is there a chance Donham was the mastermind behind it all? Of course, there is a chance. But I think knowing what we know about the 1950s South it isn’t the most likely scenario.
You are definitely not an expert on the 1950s South to be giving an opinion. You should read Hugh Steven Whitaker's work on this, which has some original research which is far more illustrative about the context of that era.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 6:38 pm to lsupride87
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Sure she could have. But I do have a suspicion her husband wasn’t being a very nice polite and patient fellow when asking her and she kept saying no. Just a hunch that the murdering torturing psychopath wasn’t a very patient and doting husband
Yet he believed her the other two times? You aren't thinking any of this through. It's like you are being willful here.
It's clear you don't know how to make determinations about sources, nor do you seem intimately familiar with any of the source material at all, other than Donham's statements, which not only do you take at face value, but also obfuscate around them by pointing out some other imagined inconsistencies. To be clear, there is nothing meaningful about posting about some alleged inconsistencies in what Till's family and friends assert and the inconsistencies between statements made by Donham herself. You can weigh those things independent of one another. Otherwise you sound like a toddler.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 6:44 pm to lsupride87
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You, me, and nobody else KNOWS for sure.
What is with you psychopaths and capitalizing words randomly? First off, this statement is always interesting, as you undercut definitive knowledge to further your point, when this isn't the way truth is discerned. As in, you know for sure that no one can know, but that appeal to ignorance is both idiotic and not the way we make determinations about anything else.
Secondly, I suspect you want to say that because of the morally relativistic position you've put yourself in, as in, 'it must have been hard to go against your husband in the 1950's, except for the fact that she herself tells us of two prior incidences where her husband misidentified Till.'
Thirdly, this is such a painfully stupid argument which doesn't have a philosophical or logical basis.
Finally, you should really shut up. QED.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 6:52 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:So you jackoff in your medical textbooks when you type on an internet message board like this?
What is with you psychopaths and capitalizing words randomly? First off, this statement is always interesting, as you undercut definitive knowledge to further your point, when this isn't the way truth is discerned. As in, you know for sure that no one can know, but that appeal to ignorance is both idiotic and not the way we make determinations about anything else. Secondly, I suspect you want to say that because of the morally relativistic position you've put yourself in, as in, 'it must have been hard to go against your husband in the 1950's, except for the fact that she herself tells us of two prior incidences where her husband misidentified Till.' Thirdly, this is such a painfully stupid argument which doesn't have a philosophical or logical basis.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 6:58 pm to lsupride87
quote:
So you jackoff in your medical textbooks when you type on an internet message board like this?
Oh wow so much nuance.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 7:03 pm to lsupride87
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I didn’t know who Till or Wallen were until this week
And yet now you’re suddenly an expert
Posted on 4/27/23 at 7:06 pm to whoa
quote:The dumbest thing in this thread is you, crazy, and cocky not understanding the Wallen/Till reference and truly thinking people don’t know who Till is. That’s lacking comprehension skills
And yet now you’re suddenly an expert
Posted on 4/27/23 at 7:09 pm to lsupride87
quote:
The dumbest thing in this thread is you, crazy, and cocky not understanding the Wallen/Till reference and truly thinking people don’t know who Till is. That’s lacking comprehension skills
Nah, given other things you've posted in this thread, you can see why we all came to that conclusion. That should give you some pause, but alas I don't think it will.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 7:09 pm to Philzilla
quote:Because they’ve been burnt their whole lives. And their parents has also been as well. And their parents has also been as well.
Why are they all scared of fire?
Posted on 4/27/23 at 7:11 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:No, it shows how bloated your self of worth is you think there are really people that don’t know Till in this discussion. And the Wallen reference made it all the more painfully obvious
Nah, given other things you've posted in this thread, you can see why we all came to that conclusion. That should give you some pause, but alas I don't think it will
Look, bottom line, I argue when I think I’m right because I am an absolute prick. And it shows
You argue because your ivory tower is higher than a giraffes pussy, and it shows. Between this, your South African posting, and covid, If you never stayed before you were a doctor, you still would have left no doubt
This post was edited on 4/27/23 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 4/27/23 at 7:14 pm to John88
Trying to figure out how to respond in this thread.
There is a lot of information out there. She was at a senior center in the Carolina’s a few years back, and some “social justice warriors” stormed it during Covid looking to get the white devil. It made national news. I would bet that is why she was moved back to Louisiana. When that happened, there were some stories and info about the original incident that were brought back to light. Just like they are with her death. It is pretty well established he said something, or whistled, or both. And she probably exaggerated her story. Maybe because she wanted the attention, maybe because she was pressured into it. Remember race relations and norms were different then, but so where matrimonial relations and norms in relation to many today.
What ultimately happened was wrong obviously. But I don’t think we have, nor will we ever have, the needed info to necessarily damn this woman to hell. Maybe she deserves it. But I don’t know and I am not jumping on that mob band wagon.
If a 14 year old white boy called a 21 year old married black woman the N word today; and nothing else other than that happened; and then that woman’s husband and family lynched the white boy, would you call for the woman to burn in hell for telling on him?
There is a lot of information out there. She was at a senior center in the Carolina’s a few years back, and some “social justice warriors” stormed it during Covid looking to get the white devil. It made national news. I would bet that is why she was moved back to Louisiana. When that happened, there were some stories and info about the original incident that were brought back to light. Just like they are with her death. It is pretty well established he said something, or whistled, or both. And she probably exaggerated her story. Maybe because she wanted the attention, maybe because she was pressured into it. Remember race relations and norms were different then, but so where matrimonial relations and norms in relation to many today.
What ultimately happened was wrong obviously. But I don’t think we have, nor will we ever have, the needed info to necessarily damn this woman to hell. Maybe she deserves it. But I don’t know and I am not jumping on that mob band wagon.
If a 14 year old white boy called a 21 year old married black woman the N word today; and nothing else other than that happened; and then that woman’s husband and family lynched the white boy, would you call for the woman to burn in hell for telling on him?
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