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re: Can you teach a child morality without religion?
Posted on 10/31/18 at 2:59 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Posted on 10/31/18 at 2:59 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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I've read about a theory that suggests the whole idea of religious thought was an essential evolutionary hurdle for mankind (homo sapiens) to actually become what we consider civilized.
Sure, a vehicle for civilization.
But I think some also look at it as a necessary evil which can now be discarded based on the idea we've "achieved" civilization, and I think that's a frightening prospect, whether you believe in the underlying truth of any faith or not.
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Posted on 10/31/18 at 2:59 pm to Salmon
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are the Nazis thriving right now?
Define thriving, because social media is telling me they're making a comeback...
Posted on 10/31/18 at 3:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Even Christianity uses karma as a reward/punishment
The word karma is tied inextricably to Hinduism.
The general idea of what you sow, that you shall reap is more universal and isn't unique to Christianity (and karma is based on a similar principle).
Posted on 10/31/18 at 3:00 pm to Salmon
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are the Nazis thriving right now?
To move his goalposts - is our increasingly areligious society prepared to deal with a Nazi threat today? How much role did religion play in the opposition to Hitler? We can also raise the question of the role of religion in the rise of Naziism, as I think it goes both ways.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 3:01 pm to LSUBoo
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That doesn't require an overarching religion, but it requires belief in something greater than the tangible world.
So maybe the better question from the OP would be "Can you teach morality without any spiritual belief"?
Even then I would argue karma could used to explain that theres a natural order or balance to life and that if you stray too far to one side or the other you will upset that balance. Does that imply a spiritual presence?
Posted on 10/31/18 at 3:02 pm to Pettifogger
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To move his goalposts - is our increasingly areligious society prepared to deal with a Nazi threat today? How much role did religion play in the opposition to Hitler? We can also raise the question of the role of religion in the rise of Naziism, as I think it goes both ways.
I think this is where tribalism would come into play, no?
Posted on 10/31/18 at 3:03 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Even then I would argue karma could used to explain that theres a natural order or balance to life and that if you stray too far to one side or the other you will upset that balance. Does that imply a spiritual presence?
There's a scientific term for this. So no, that doesn't imply a spiritual presence, but it doesn't imply karma either.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 3:03 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Even then I would argue karma could used to explain that theres a natural order or balance to life and that if you stray too far to one side or the other you will upset that balance. Does that imply a spiritual presence?
Probably the best definition of God that I have heard.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 3:03 pm to NYNolaguy1
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"Do unto others as they do unto you..."
Does that sound like a Hindu verse?
Buddhists also believe in karma.
So that begs the question- how is it possible to teach an ideal central to three of the worlds major religions without teaching anything specific to any of those three?
I don't know if Buddhism or Hinduism includes those verses or that direct of an idea, but the Christian idea is much different than you presented...
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is much different than repay others with the good or the wrong they have paid you.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 3:04 pm to Salmon
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I think this is where tribalism would come into play, no?
Maybe, but arguably Nazism wasn't defeated strictly along tribalistic lines. Some of those that did exist (aside from religion) have arguably declined even more than religion.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 3:04 pm to CivilTiger83
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Posted on 10/31/18 at 3:05 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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Probably the best definition of God that I have heard.
That aside, "not upsetting the balance" is a pretty malleable concept on which to order a society, no?
Posted on 10/31/18 at 3:06 pm to Salmon
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Posted on 10/31/18 at 3:06 pm to Salmon
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are the Nazis thriving right now?
Salmon, I posed a basic question about one of the worst atrocities of mankind. You evaded the answer. If the answer isn't easy to come by, then that is a tragedy.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 3:07 pm to WikiTiger
Psychedelic research is increasing. I think psychedelics will become an accepted part of medical treatment and culture in my lifetime.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 3:07 pm to LSUBoo
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There's a scientific term for this
This engineer is looking for such a word... What did you have in mind?
Posted on 10/31/18 at 3:07 pm to LandPhil
Can religion truly teach morality? I mean if the only reason for doing the right thing is avoiding punishment then is doing the right thing for the wrong reason truly moral?
Posted on 10/31/18 at 3:08 pm to Thias2685
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Can religion truly teach morality? I mean if the only reason for doing the right thing is avoiding punishment then is doing the right thing for the wrong reason truly moral?
Fair point, for the individual. Arguably less important if the focus is an ordered/moral society.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 3:10 pm to CivilTiger83
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Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is much different than repay others with the good or the wrong they have paid you.
You get my meaning though.
Theres undeniable themes of Karma in Christianity.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 3:12 pm to NYNolaguy1
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This engineer is looking for such a word... What did you have in mind?
Homeostasis, as it would apply to the concept that the Earth is a superorganism. Or just applied broadly.
ETA: So no, I don't think you have to believe in a higher power to believe that life will balance itself out to an overreaching degree.
You do have to believe in a higher power to believe in the concept of karma at an individual level.
This post was edited on 10/31/18 at 3:16 pm
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