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re: Can we build a replacement to the Notre Dame with the detail by actual artist?

Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:09 pm to
Posted by stateofplay
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:09 pm to
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So you think all western civilization was built by slaves? 

Were those slaves also engineers & architects, because their countries of origin are still littered with mud huts & thatch roofs to this day.


No they used magic and aliens to build all those stone buildings, statues , and monuments that lasted longer than Notre Dame, starting all the way back in the BC days before Christ.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:19 pm to
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Sure, but it’ll cost about a billion dollars


So if everyone who pays rent to live in Paris had 10% of their monthly rent put torwards restoration for 2 months.
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
29454 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:22 pm to
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They have 3D concrete printing now.

Concrete looks like shite compared to those hand-cut limestone blocks. It doesn't last as long either. Those blocks in the Notre Dame were cut in the 1100s and just survived the roof collapsing from an inferno. How long does concrete last before it starts falling off the rebar?
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Member since Sep 2013
35576 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:23 pm to
Rumor has it the roofers have started knocking on doors in the area. Maybe they can squeeze this in before hurricane season.
Posted by FightingTigers138
In your thoughts
Member since Dec 2016
6009 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:28 pm to
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Have you been to Vegas?


I have a feeling that casino wont last 100 years, much less 1000.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:28 pm to
It’s gone.

The worst part is the stained glass. That was one of the best features of the Cathreral, and they can’t recreate it.

They’ve tried on previous reconstruction attempts.

Modern methods can’t quite get the colors/shine just right, and we don’t know how the original was made
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:31 pm to
I read some posts on Twitter earlier about how only within the last couple of years some architect (apparently well known academic maybe?) had completed some intricate 3D renderings of the entire structure. I think he died, but we have them.
Posted by TDFreak
Coast to Coast - L.A. to Chicago
Member since Dec 2009
9417 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:34 pm to
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It’s gone.

The worst part is the stained glass. That was one of the best features of the Cathreral, and they can’t recreate it.

They’ve tried on previous reconstruction attempts.

Modern methods can’t quite get the colors/shine just right, and we don’t know how the original was made

No replica can ever match the original.

However, with the technology today - and a billion dollars - mankind can make the best damn replica in history.

I sure hope they laser scanned the place. That, along with a TON of photographs, and I’d argue the average person would have a hard time telling the difference.
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
36654 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:35 pm to
Yes
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 7:39 pm to
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How long does concrete last before it starts falling off the rebar?


Never, if the concrete maintains encasement of the bars. Once water reaches the rebar it causes delamination that pushes out on the concrete. Fiber reinforcement doesn't have that issue.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
103799 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 8:22 pm to
I wish I knew how to do work on buildings like this.

My family immigrated here from Scotland in the 1700s and in Scotland came from a long line of stonemasons that built many buildings over the centuries in Glasgow. Including helping build a cathedral there that is just as old as Notre Dame




Posted by Pepperoni
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 8:23 pm to
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 8:26 pm to
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Was this a thing in Europe, especially in cities like Paris? Forgive me, I don't know. But, if the stonemasons were compensated to build such beauty, not much different from me doing taxes to pay my mortgage. Take that shite elsewhere.


Nope. Slavery faded out with the fall of the Western Roman Empire and came back with colonialism...which began when Notre Dame Cathedral was already a very old building.
Posted by pensacola
pensacola
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:20 pm to
Jet fuel can’t melt concrete
Posted by AustinTigr
Austin, TX
Member since Dec 2004
2937 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:39 pm to
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We take for granted what our predecessors did with the slaves they had.


FAIL! The cathedral was started in 1165, not 1865. Sorry to rain on your ‘evil white people’ party.

And ‘no’, it wasn’t built by white slaves either. Dang poorly paid white people, but not slaves.

This post was edited on 4/15/19 at 10:41 pm
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129146 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 10:58 pm to
Salma Hayek’s husband just pledged $113 million to help rebuild the cathedral

LINK
This post was edited on 4/15/19 at 10:59 pm
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
60077 posts
Posted on 4/15/19 at 11:07 pm to
why rebuild it? the muslims will just burn it again

europe is like 30% muslim now
Posted by ellishughtiger
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Posted on 4/15/19 at 11:18 pm to
SMH. You should take on a travel welding job to Europe
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58613 posts
Posted on 4/16/19 at 12:33 am to
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Apparently, cities built grand cathedrals with the finest craftsmen in an attempt to outshine other cities.
but this also took place over generations. People can't fathom that nowadays with the give it to me now attitude. Notre Dame took 185 years to build.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58613 posts
Posted on 4/16/19 at 12:36 am to
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Fiber reinforcement doesn't have that issue
fiber reinforced also doesn't have near the tensile strength as traditional steel reinforced concrete.
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